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Why VPS services are not the best option long-term.

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by elavmunretea, Nov 29, 2016.

  1. elavmunretea

    elavmunretea Elite Member

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    Virtual private Servers are incredibly common amongst online marketers looking to run bots, host websites, manage accounts, etc for 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

    I have been wondering just how much it's actually costing me to run a VPS, so I decided to do some calculation.

    To begin with, I am going to be looking at these 5 BHW VPS providers:

    After taking a look, I have averaged out the prices, and concluded that the average price-per-GB of RAM, is $9.72 per month:


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    So, imagine that instead of paying $116.64 per GB of RAM, per year, let's imagine we used our own dedicated machines.

    I quickly created this 4 Core, 32 GB Ram, 500GB SSD that costs a total of $995.30 or £796.43, which equates to $31 per GB of RAM, one-time fee.

    Now we need to talk about power. Assuming that the 650w PSU is under an average load of 600w, that will cost approximately £807.85/ $1009.51 per year (I calculated this using this site. 600w x 8760 hours) which equates to $31.5 per GB per year on Power.


    Ok. So far we have calculated the cost of a VPS, which is around $10 per month, or $120 per year per GB.

    The one-time fee of buying the computer I listed is around $31 per GB, which is not including the $31.5/year/GB cost of powering this.

    So, after year one you are saving $57.5 for every GB, and after year 3 you are saving $234.5

    Now, let's go one step further and imagine you rent out the rest of your computer to earn a little money. Say you would like to use 16GB of RAM for yourself and would like to rent out four lots of VPSs for $38.88 (9.72 x 4) per month, netting you $155 a month or $1866 per year, which is already a return on your investment.


    I should mention that I did not include part depreciation/ break down in my costs, however, most (if not all) of these parts come with a good warranty. I also did not mention Internet/ Proxy cost here, but I am assuming you have that any way to connect to your VPS


    Long story short:
    • Average Price Per GB VPS Per Month: $9.72 / $116.64 Per Year
    • Computer Purchase Per GB: $31
    • Power Cost Per GB Per Year: $31.5
    • Potential Earnings per month assuming you rent 50%: $115
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    Please note this is nothing factual, I did some rough and quick calculations

    - Harry
     
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  2. ChrisX

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    This makes sense for running tools if you have high speed internet. But for hosting websites digitalocean, linode and even AWS are more reliable alternatives. No worries about hardware or power outages and you can run servers in different locations.
     
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    I guess if you're running a lot of sites then investing in a backup generator is well worth it, but for me, I barely have any power cuts. As to the location thing, you could purchase a CDN or something similar
     
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    I can see where you're coming from but my internet is far too unreliable to even consider hosting anyones sites from so for the peace of mind I'm happy to pay for my VPS. Although I do rent out space on it so it is essentially free. That said I do run a small webserver from my home (raspberry pi) which runs some expired domain finding software which I wrote. This works very well and the entire raspberry pi 'PC' cost me less than £50.
     
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    you could run into bandwidth issue using your home connection and the provider blocking you. Or you get one person that reports and your done and you just wasted all that money. If you are willing to take the risk on the home network then yes this could save you a little money a year.
     
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    Yeah that's cheap. I only used bhw prices in my calculations for a comparison, although that only has 5gb of storage per GB of ram which is quite small
     
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    i run a dedicated win 10 computer 24/7. it was much cheaper than the 900 you used.. Was like 200.
    The only problem is the changing ip form my provider when using proxies.
     
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    Average American upload speed is 18.88mb/s, while average Canadian is even worse. Most VPS' provide a lot faster (like 1gb/s), so right there for people like me with slow uploads it's worth it. Also, electricity can get expensive and having multiple PC's in the same outlet or outlets that are close to each other when they're running at full load can blow a breaker in an old house.

    I made a thread about these and apparently you have to purchase a cPanel license + Windows license if you're using Windows. The price skyrockets after that.
     
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    My internet is more than capable of running like 9 is devices at once, another computer won't do anything. Also, I included electricity in my calculations, as per UK prices
     
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    I'd be interested in hearing what @davids355 had to say about this.
     
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    It was 50% off on BlackFriday on all VPS if you paid 1 year in advanced. So, that 8gb was on sell for 80.94 a year. I got the 4gb and ended up paying like 41.94 for my 4gb vps for the full year.
     
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    You have to understand, buying hosting from BHW is something only a certain profile of person does around here. BHW hosting is super expensive compared to what is around the market. You should do a price comparison on BHW's hosting companies vs all of the other companies, and you will see what I'm talking about.

    On top of that, you should strongly follow the rule : Don't shit where you eat. Hosting anything at your home or even running SEO tools for a long time is considered pretty naively and what noobs do. You can never compared the speed of a datacenter close to what you get at home. In other words, you left out one of the biggest reason why people get VPS and that is the datacenter. It is not all about paying for RAM and CPU but having the ability to always have your machine on all the time and reachable with a datacenter connection speed.
     
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    You'll also definetly need a really good cooling system if you want it to last long enough
     
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    you will lose a lot of time and resources...so the VPS is a LOGIC choice for now
     
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    Why do you even need such complicated calculations? It's straight up easy math. How much did you buy your PC, compared to how much the VPS cost each month using the same spec x12 months, is enough to tell that VPS for long term is going to cost more.

    The average PC is 300$ for a core i3 8GB. And 350$ for 16GB. If you trust 2nd hand parts, it can be had even cheaper.

    The average cost of 4 core 8gb is 25$ and so 1 year = 300$ (and mind you, not every reseller is selling you true cores. They may have just given you the HT not core, and you can't always abuse it 100% on all cores. True cores is double the price. Because if they have given you true cores, and the CPU is 12 core, they can only fit in 3 users, so why would they undersell?

    The real cost is not the GB sold, as ram is generally cheap (although some providers tend to think ram is good justification for overpricing). It should be measured by the CPU core, that's the most important aspect of running any bot.
     
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    i would never run this at home. chances of getting caught are way too high and losing all hardware after constant use.

    outsource this and play it safe!!