Discussion in 'The Shit List' started by raidar, May 11, 2010.
Is there a way to find out why someone has been banned from BHW?
If it is on a "WANT to know" basis, then the answer is no.
If it is on a "NEED to know" basis, then the answer is yes . . . You can contact one of the Administrators. But I caution you to be sure that you have a very good reason as to why you need to know. For instance, if you had a money dispute with the banned individual, that would qualify as a "NEED to know" basis.
And in general, bans cannot be discussed publicly on the forum.
I hope that has answered your question
Cheers! - "Wiz"
And if I am researching a possible jv partner whom I during research find out is banned here?
if you are looking to do a JV with someone and they are showing banned I would stay away if it were me.
Its just signal for me that this person might not be on the up and up and would not want to chance loosing money or getting myself banned on here.
Well, I would want to know the reason for the ban
then here's your answer from Wiz:
because they against the TOS
If theyre banned, and youre going to do a JV with them anyway, why not just ask them why they got banned?
Yea, and there is 2 sides of every story so what he says mustn't necessary be what BHW admins say
Wow this was quite valuable for me becuase there has been sevral times that I talk to someone on the phone and see that they are a blackhat member and are banned and have wondered if I should do buiness with them. And know I know if anything gose wrong with the transaction you guys can provide some data for me.
If they are banned, then they aren't a member.
@raidar: then pm an admin, if you really need to know and if you're lucky and one of them find your pm, maybe you'll get your answer (ban can be a sign not to make business with somebody, but not necessarily, it can be that he got banned - for only one week - because he made a post about 2012, so it's not a threat for a JV)
but keep in mind, there's no democracy here, the admins are always right!
Yeah, I agree with you raidar.
If someone was banned because they try to push a rule like advertising in a sig, or they have an argumentative personality and push it too far with a mod, that doesn't necessarily mean they aren't trustworthy. In fact it kind of shows that they're up front about themselves, even if it may be a little too much up front. A good scammer would do everything possible to gain peoples trust so he could conduct his scam easier.
Someone that got banned might be a expert, and very successfull at what they do, even if they blow it with a mod over a tos issue, or they're in a bad mood and start baiting and arguing with the mods or other members. They might be a jerk, they might be really annoying, but even an annoying jerk can be great at helping make a project work.
A lot of people in this business tend to be slightly antisocial and a little tempermental by nature anyway, it takes a little of that just to be able to devote the computer time required to learn everything.
I think this was probably the reasoning behind why the banned users subforum in the shitlist was created originally. Unfortunately it's never been used with enough consistency to be effective.
It would be helpful if when people were banned there was at least a minimal amount of info posted about it, either a public message on their public profile or a listing in the shitlist>banned users forum. Just a simple statement giving the basic info.
Type of Ban -
A-Temporary or B-Permanent Ban, and if reason A what's the duration?
Reason for Ban -
A-Scam or Fraud, B-Spammer, C-Violation of TOS. section X.x, D-Antisocial behavior, E-Clueless Noob needing a lesson, etc.
Maybe even temporary bans for C, D or E, only posted on the members public profile, and permanent Bans posted there and in the Shitlist>Banned Users.
I've suggested in other threads that it could be a good idea for the C, D or E violators to be put into a SHUN level first, with no posting priveledges before getting a ban. (and only able to PM with Mods)
This type of basic info could help people in raidar's position, where he's considering doing work with someone. He doesn't just WANT to know what happened with a member, he NEEDS to know in order to make a decision. Someone with a C or D violation, we might be glad to have them off the forum for a bit because they're annoying, but it doesn't mean they aren't trustworthy for doing some business with.
It could also put a stop to the speculation people make about why there was a ban, and people that don't know what really went on trying to put forth support for a banned member. In fact a lot of times that's the reason for a Ban. Even if misguided, a little bit of loyalty like that shows some good character if your considering a JV with someone.
Creating the Banned Member forum shows that the admins and mods have put some thought into the matter, but since it hasn't really been used much shows that a simple workable method for them to use it hasn't been developed yet. Issues like this one can be complex for a variety of reasons, so it might never have a complete solution.
@ wolf I think this is a great idea - other wise us noobs feel a little intimated -- not sure what we can and can't do or say --- well more just why are there members with large thanks rep and itrader ranks banned ---
this place is waaay to useful for most level headed reasonable people to waste some small flame on --- not that I ever flame --
cheers I hopw the mods read your idea btw do they have diferent levels of ban
Yeah, I like my ideas too.
I especially like the idea of a SHUN level to use instead of a BAN for certain infractions. Just limit the member to only reading, and no posting or pm abilities for a period of time. Seems to me it would be usefull to let some members still have access to the forums so they can learn the type of posts that are encouraged. And there are many reasons it would be helpful to check a banned or shunned members profile to see the reason. There's a lot more work to managing a large forum than many people think, so there's just no telling if anything like that will ever be implemented.
New users really don't need to feel intimidated. I'm not the smartest guy around, and I've never really had any problems. Just use a little common sense. I'm sure a few of my posts have been annoying, but I haven't recieve to many complaints from anyone.
The best advice I can give new members is to read through other threads for awhile before making a lot of replies or starting any threads. This will give you an idea of the type of posts that are encouraged, and which types will get you flamed.
As long as you take the time to read through the Forum Rules, you shouldn't need to worry too much about getting banned. It's also a good idea to read this sticky thread, Guide for New Members.
If you just learn and follow the rules, you should be fine.
Right now there aren't different levels of bans. The mods can set a time limit for the bans, so in that sense there is a different level, but the actual ban has the same limitations regardless of whether it's permanent or temporary.
The main thing to remember is that if someone got banned there must have been some reason for it. Not saying it's always a great reason, but definatly something happened to cause it. If you were in the middle of a deal with someone of getting ready to start something, you might want to pm a mod to ask about it. Be sure to explain that you were doing some business and your concerned about it, otherwise the mod will probably assume your just being curious, which is a waste of their time and against the TOS.
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