Why is ZennoPoster better than uBot?

luminus · Aug 11, 2011

BlackSEOWizard said:
Most of these tools WinAutomation and so on use common languages like VB & C# so you don't need to learn a new language.

What do you mean by "image recognition", how does that work?

Exactly that! Take a snapshot of anything on a page, and UBot can recognize and manipulate it.

Flash is just one of the many places this will work. For an example, check out 5:00 into the youtube video you get when you search for "UBot 4 Sneak Peek."

Seth does a pretty good demo.

luminus · Aug 11, 2011

-FPC- said:
Would it be a waste of time for me to get uBot 3.5 and learn it just to have 4 released shortly?

Also, why can't any of the ZP fanboys comment on the captcha training?

We are working on a system to convert them, but I'm not confident it will be finished asap. 4 should be released very soon - I hate to tell a prospective customer to wait to buy, because you certainly get the stable version of 4 when it's released if you buy now....

Not so much is changing that you'll be swimming in confusion, but there are significant improvements in ease-of-use.

Jason

mudbutt · Aug 11, 2011

You're never going to find a true answer unless you buy both and use both for extended periods of time. Most people only offer opinions that try to justify their purchase and why they chose what they did.

BlackSEOWizard · Aug 11, 2011

luminus said:
Exactly that! Take a snapshot of anything on a page, and UBot can recognize and manipulate it.

Flash is just one of the many places this will work. For an example, check out 5:00 into the youtube video you get when you search for "UBot 4 Sneak Peek."

Seth does a pretty good demo.

That does look pretty freaking cool.

phatzilla · Aug 11, 2011

jazzc said:
I make lots of money as a programmer and I can tell you this is simply rubbish. First rule of efficient coding is NOT to re-invent the wheel. Unless someone else pays the bill of course...

Edit:

Why do you think we prefer the browser way? Much much much less complexity -> faster turn around -> more profits.
Just consider how much time it took SeNuke to go without the browser.

First of all the browser way is for newbs, and is slow as hell.

Second of all, the best tool is the one you create yourself, and can update yourself as you see fit -- any programmer should know that.

phatzilla · Aug 11, 2011

BlackSEOWizard said:
Not really, as I said most people use $5-$50/month in captcha, I haven't tested Zenno but I suspect it is somewhere in the 20% range. I bet a large percentage of people use less than $10/m and the top 1% users use much more.

50$ a month in captcha is chump change. Many people spend that IN A DAY

BlackSEOWizard · Aug 11, 2011

phatzilla said:
50$ a month in captcha is chump change. Many people spend that IN A DAY

I disagree, I think most spend a lot less. Most people are not successful at all and spend their time in the WF. I may be wrong, but I suspect 98% of people use less than $50/month.

I agree $50 is nothing for captcha services, but it is a very small percentage of the IM community that are producing that much.

jazzc · Aug 11, 2011

-FPC- said:
Also, why can't any of the ZP fanboys comment on the captcha training?

What to comment? It 's straightforward, read the docs and act!

If you can't do that, no problem. I am certain you can find someone for paid consulting who will hold your hand and guide you through it all. :croc:

BlackSEOWizard · Aug 11, 2011

phatzilla said:
50$ a month in captcha is chump change. Many people spend that IN A DAY

Another thing, if your spending $50/day on captcha (which is about 39,000 captchas a day consistently) you are not likely using Ubot or Zenno to do this, but I maybe wrong. I stand by my theory most spend $50 or less a month.

BlackSEOWizard · Aug 11, 2011

jazzc said:
What to comment? It 's straightforward, read the docs and act!

If you can't do that, no problem. I am certain you can find someone for paid consulting who will hold your hand and guide you through it all. :croc:

I think he is just saying he would like to know how effective it is, not how to use it and that Zenno users don't really talk about it. You shouldn't have to hire a consultant to answer that question.

jazzc · Aug 11, 2011

phatzilla said:
First of all the browser way is for newbs, and is slow as hell.

Second of all, the best tool is the one you create yourself, and can update yourself as you see fit -- any programmer should know that.

This is utterly ridiculous.

I will not bother to comment further on the matter other than my previous comment . :croc:

jazzc · Aug 11, 2011

BlackSEOWizard said:
I think he is just saying he would like to know how effective it is, not how to use it and that Zenno users don't really talk about it. You shouldn't have to hire a consultant to answer that question.

In that case, I misinterpreted him and apologize.

Personally, I 've used it a little so I will not post results that I have not tested in the long run. Currently, I pay for all my captcha since my ROI is big and there 's no reason to spend time on CapMonster training.

-FPC- · Aug 11, 2011

jazzc said:
In that case, I misinterpreted him and apologize.

Personally, I 've used it a little so I will not post results that I have not tested in the long run. Currently, I pay for all my captcha since my ROI is big and there 's no reason to spend time on CapMonster training.

Why would I have to pay anyone for anything?

People talk up ZP on here all day long yet they can't point out an exact reason why it is better other than OCR. To make matters worse, the documentation for OCR is barely understandable!

I'm asking for specifics and no one can manage to give them. It makes me pretty suspicious of the providence of all of these claims on BHW. It honestly seems pretty fishy to me when there is such blind praise yet people can't give any details whatsoever and many haven't even used the competing software!

BlackSEOWizard · Aug 11, 2011

jazzc said:
In that case, I misinterpreted him and apologize.

Personally, I 've used a little so I will not post results that I have not tested in the long run. Currently, I pay for all my captcha since my ROI is big and there 's no reason to spend time on CapMonster training.

I may be wrong, but that's the question I have and I also believe he was asking.

I also use DBC and DC so the CapMonster although looks nice, I didn't worry about it too much as DBC works so well and is so cheap. I know others say DBC sucks, I've had great luck with them maintains 98% for me.

I really think the industry needs a solid auto captcha solver though, something like xRummer has that can be licensed out to other products to include. Most products don't want to tackle captcha breaking and just use services, but it is a great feature and if someone built a library that was reasonably priced and maintained and could be integrated into any tool fairly easily, it would be a game changer.

The problem is when ever vendor (the VERY FEW who do) try to do it themselves, there is so much training that has to be done and maintenance.

I'm getting off topic, but it's a pet peeve of mine that there isn't a solution out there that can be licensed into other products with high succcess rates without training (since the training is done by the team and can be re-used by so many products to justify it).

BlackSEOWizard · Aug 11, 2011

-FPC- said:
Why would I have to pay anyone for anything?

People talk up ZP on here all day long yet they can't point out an exact reason why it is better other than OCR. To make matters worse, the documentation for OCR is barely understandable!

I'm asking for specifics and no one can manage to give them. It makes me pretty suspicious of the providence of all of these claims on BHW. It honestly seems pretty fishy to me when there is such blind praise yet people can't give any details whatsoever and many haven't even used the competing software!

I do agree with JazzC though, you really need to just get them both and try it. That's what I am doing now. The ROI on either one is so high it is worth the effort. Going by previous posts you should have a good understand that you are not going to get the answers you seek.

-FPC- · Aug 11, 2011

BlackSEOWizard said:
I do agree with JazzC though, you really need to just get them both and try it. That's what I am doing now. The ROI on either one is so high it is worth the effort. Going by previous posts you should have a good understand that you are not going to get the answers you seek.

Well I have enough to buy the ~$350 copy of ZP and the discounted most basic uBot license (I have $600 to spend)

However, I'm trying to use the ZP demo and it doesn't seem to be working properly. I can't connect steps like they do in the tut videos which pretty much makes it impossible to do anything worthwhile :\

jazzc · Aug 11, 2011

-FPC- said:
Why would I have to pay anyone for anything?

This can get philosophical...

I will ponder the answer tomorrow while I play beach volley and let you know.

It honestly seems pretty fishy to me ...

Right. Can't please everyone mate. We are here to make money after all not convince anyone about anything. So, have fun with the tools you choose to use. I do.

jazzc · Aug 11, 2011

I hear that people have successfully bridged xrumer 's captcha-solving engine with an "emulating" front-end to use it with tools that use common apis (like DC).

Sounds cool.

BlackSEOWizard said:
I really think the industry needs a solid auto captcha solver though, something like xRummer has that can be licensed out to other products to include. Most products don't want to tackle captcha breaking and just use services, but it is a great feature and if someone built a library that was reasonably priced and maintained and could be integrated into any tool fairly easily, it would be a game changer.

The problem is when ever vendor (the VERY FEW who do) try to do it themselves, there is so much training that has to be done and maintenance.

I'm getting off topic, but it's a pet peeve of mine that there isn't a solution out there that can be licensed into other products with high succcess rates without training (since the training is done by the team and can be re-used by so many products to justify it).

jazzc · Aug 11, 2011

Since your budget is limited and you do not seem to have a technical background, I would honestly advise you to stay with uBot for now since it is easier for beginners. You will make some simple bots easily and this will boost your confidence. When need comes to scale, invest in Zenno.

-FPC- said:
Well I have enough to buy the ~$350 copy of ZP and the discounted most basic uBot license (I have $600 to spend)

However, I'm trying to use the ZP demo and it doesn't seem to be working properly. I can't connect steps like they do in the tut videos which pretty much makes it impossible to do anything worthwhile :\

-FPC- · Aug 11, 2011

jazzc said:
Since your budget is limited and you do not seem to have a technical background, I would honestly advise you to stay with uBot for now since it is easier for beginners. You will make some simple bots easily and this will boost your confidence. When need comes to scale, invest in Zenno.

Okay. I'm thinking it would be a smarter investment than, say, xRumer given I have:
1. scrapebox
2. scrapeboard
3. AMR
4. thebestspinner
5. no hands SEO
6. ReddiTroll

Since XR is pretty much aimed at only one function and ZP/UBOT can do basically anything I think it would be a smarter investment, no?

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