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Why is ZennoPoster better than uBot?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO Tools' started by -FPC-, Aug 10, 2011.

  1. -FPC-

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    I'm always hearing that it is better, but why? I'm playing around with the demo right now and it won't do basic functions that are in this tut video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsJ4LcrlDNg

    For some reason I can't attach steps like they do in that video and just testing the template is a big pain.

    I've heard so many good things so I'm leaning towards it but can someone explain why exactly it is better, especially with the new features in uBot 4?

    BTW: I don't own uBot yet either, debating between ZP and uBot currently
     
  2. BlackSEOWizard

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    I own Ubot, I've looked at Zenno. Zenno is very popular and said to be the best, but I don't know. UBot is powerful but quirky and I hear Zenno is great but in reality can't do much.

    I'm waiting for Ubot 4 to be finalized as I think that will help Ubot a lot. I recently bought Pro edition, and I like it but it has its issues and I think 4 will make it a lot better but the beta isn't quite usable for every day coding and you can't use 3 or 4 scripts together so I've been holding off until a final 4 to do any serious coding.
     
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    Which has been active for the longest?
     
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    Don't forget AutoIt
     
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    As for the fourth version uBot - it has been advertised in April, though still is not ready.
    I think that this is a desperate attempt to save the growing down sales of uBot on the world market after ZennoPoster release.
    However, I do not see in uBot 4 such awesome features so that it would be better than ZennoPoster 3 (which, incidentally, was made one and half a year ago.)
    Of course we keep ZennoPoster up and now is nearly ready a new version of our program. All its new features, you will know when a new version will be released, there was no any reasons to talk about them a few months before the release date.
    Any doubts? So just take a look at:
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo-tools/314610-zennolab-vs-ubot.html
     
  6. BlackSEOWizard

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    AutoIt is a great product that costs not much money (free).
    I used to use it years ago administrating Windows servers.
     
  7. BlackSEOWizard

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    I tried both and to be honest I wasn't impressed with either. I bought Ubot, but it is far from perfect. Zenno looked nice, but it was no where as easy as you mentioned in that post. It was quite confusing the way things worked. Initially it looked great how you just did what you wanted to do and it showed up on the right but actually getting things done seemed to be much more difficult.

    Ubot 4 is suppose to be out in August, been playing around with that as well myself. Again, not perfect but can do a lot with it. Compiling bots was a big deal to me as well which doesn't seem like it will be in your roadmap anytime soon.

    Most of the benefits of ZennoPoster appear to be removed with the release of Ubot 4, like unique browser cookies and so on.

    Cap Monster is very appealing, and was something I was very interested in Zenno for. The feedback on BHW is very heavily towards Zenno without a doubt.
     
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    A quick search on this forum for UBot will reveal that it was added to the do not share list over a year ago. It's been on the market for almost two years, the current version (3.5) has been available for around a year, and has been under continuous development to add features.

    Zenno was available, according to nuaru, in Russia for a similar period. It's been available in English for about 3-5 months (I think).


    I hate to say it, but I think that the biggest reason people on this forum claim Zenno is more powerful than UBot is that nuaru lies about UBot and its capabilities. See the post just above mine and many others, some of which we've had to ask mods to remove because they were downright libelous. His claims about our sales are, frankly, uninformed, to say the least.

    A quick google search will show you few if any comparisons between the two (because Zenno is so new here) and a lot of praise for UBot.

    UBot Studio 4 should be available in the coming weeks, and it really is a leap ahead. Besides a complete re-coding of most of the system, it includes image recognition, code view, and AI to make selecting elements incredibly simple. We think it will solve many issues people have with scripting in general, speed it up considerably, and remove some of those quirks you mentioned!

    Thanks for mentioning you like it, the staff is always glad when there's a happy customer.

    Jason
     
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    People don't say zenno is better because nuaru "lies", but because people tried both and think Zenno is much more powerful and has more capabilities....

    I haven't tried uBot, but I love Zenno. You can basically do anything!
     
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    Zenno is much more powerful, uBot is like auto-it, its for basic stuff and for those with basically no experience.

    That being said I still use uBot for lots of things.
     
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    You can't create executable bots :) I'm fairly confident you can do anything in UBot that you can do in Zenno. No one's really shown otherwise that I can tell. (Especially not in UBot 4...)



    I hear that Zenno is more powerful a lot of the time. As someone who uses both, what's more powerful about it?
     
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    I don't care that much about executable bots. I like Zenno's system with using zennoposter to execute templates....

    Although it would be nice to sell executable bots and make money..
     
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    I made this topic for people to get specific. People say "it's more powerful" but that means NOTHING. Get specific! All of the nonsensical, nonspecific praise for ZP makes me very suspicious.

    For those talking about autoIT, I've never been able to make a AIT bot that didn't require full control of the comp. I don't want a bot that doesn't let me use my comp while it is running!
     
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    Another thing, I was browsing the ZP forum and their site. The English is so bad in some tutorials it is literally impossible to understand. Nuaru claimed he had someone working on it but until that actually happens honestly it is a bit discouraging when a dev team can't even manage to get someone to write a tutorial or sales copy in proper English. I'm not trying to be mean but I honestly couldn't even understand some of the official tutorials on the forum at all.
     
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    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    I chose Zenno over uBot, although I cannot sell bots with it. But I don't care as building tools for me is more profitable.
    Zenno is much more programmer oriented and with the latest update, integration with Visual Studio using PHP/Phalanger or C# simply changes the game. What was tedious is now trivial.

    In the end, if you are serious in the bot making business, it 's easy to see the differences. If you are a noob, stick to uBot, make a few bots and stay low level. If you can grasp complexity, use Zenno and scale and integrate your shit like there 's no tomorrow.

    Documentation is lacking indeed. Not a problem for a programmer, but for a non-programmer, it may be hard.

    It 's like flying a fucking war plane. If you can't spend time to learn the ropes, you 'll crash and burn.
     
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    You can put AIT on a VPS, if you are doing something truly worthwhile, it will likely be worth dedicating a $10/m vps to.
     
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    The ability to code w/ another language like C# for more in depth stuff was really interesting to me. I went the UBot route because the English issue, the fact the program looks a bit convoluted (can't say Ubot isn't quirky as well), wanted exe exports, and if I was going to code something so complicated I need C#, I'd just outsource as I have better things to do and it is really cheap to just get a developer to do it in VB/Delphi/C++, I have much better uses of my time.

    I'm still on the fence about Ubot, in some ways I like it, but it really could be a lot better.
     
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    or you can do it all through requests, which doesnt require the webbrowser anyway.

    If you're a programmer, you're way better off just coding your own shit.
     
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    I thought they were adding coding support in uBot 4?
     
  20. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    I make lots of money as a programmer and I can tell you this is simply rubbish. First rule of efficient coding is NOT to re-invent the wheel. Unless someone else pays the bill of course... :)

    Edit:
    Why do you think we prefer the browser way? Much much much less complexity -> faster turn around -> more profits.
    Just consider how much time it took SeNuke to go without the browser.
     
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