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Why internet marketing is hard.

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by GodaddysDeadElephant, Sep 2, 2011.

  1. GodaddysDeadElephant

    GodaddysDeadElephant Registered Member

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    BlackHat World Stats

    • Over 293,000 pages indexed in Google

    • 4500+ users online at a time

    • 205,000+ members, growing rapidly by the day

    • 2,371,760+ posts and growing

    • We are currently ranked as one of the top 500 websites in the world according to alexa ratings
    How is anyone supposed to make money with 205,000 internet marketers trying to sell shit to the rest of them?
     
  2. carrepairs12

    carrepairs12 BANNED BANNED

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    there is enuff people to go around:D
    U.S. 312,121,214
    World 6,959,414,072
    07:41 UTC (EST+5) Sep 02, 2011
     
  3. GrizzlyAdams

    GrizzlyAdams Regular Member

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    it's something like only 10% of people who read methods on here will actually go through with them and take action.

    so on bhw probably only a small portion of the membership actually make money online.
     
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  4. howard_hughes

    howard_hughes Elite Member

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    Not more than 15k People make money here.

    There you go, that reduces the competition a bit (If it makes you feel any better)

    PS - From these 15k marketers, 1k are really good at what they do.. and they take away everyones bacon LOL
     
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  5. madoctopus

    madoctopus Supreme Member

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    Of those 200k members some are bots, some are users with multiple accounts.
    Of those 2mil posts many are redundant.

    Leaving that aside since it is not important anyway, why does it matter for you? Do those come at you and tie you to the chair so you can't make money? Make money online is a big niche and a great niche because most people who are trying to make money online don't know shit and they are chasing the push button solution that is easy, fast and will make them shitloads of money. So they keep chasing it instead of working, hence if you sell them shit they will buy it no matter how bad it is. I wanted to make an advanced SEO course. I wanted also to make an advanced SEO software. Stuff you never heard above, stuff that is so common that people don't do it because they think ti doesn't works, but it works if you handle details in a certain way. Then I realized that's not where money is. Money is in the noob, ignorant, unknowledgeable group of people.

    There will always be noobs and newbies and there will always be people who will sell to them. Again, how exactly does that matter? Since most people are newbies (or even worse, noobs) you don't really compete against 200k people. You compete against maybe a few hundred who know what they're doing. That asuming you know what you're doing yourself and are not just another newbie or noob.

    Most of those 200k plus a lot of others who are not on BHW like to call themselves internet marketers, however most of them don't know a rat's ass about marketing, they don't know much about online stuff either except using the internet. They don't know how to code, they don't know how to properly analyze stuff deeper. So we got ourselves a bunch of folks who don't know marketing and who don't have actual skills in internet/computers. IM/SEO/SEM/etc. is not a skill. Coding in C++ is a skill, web development is a skill, database design is a skill, system administration is a skill, selling is a skill, creating ads is a skill, copywriting is a skill (real copywriting not $1/100 words articles). IM/SEO/SEM/etc. is just as marketing, advertising, etc. a domain, a means to an end. To be good at them you need skills. Most people don't have that. They don't actually learn, they just go on forums and ask other people just as unknowlegeable as they are for advice. And they believe their advice. I'm not saying a forum ro any other type of community has no use, I am saying it is not a good way to learn something. Most people read hundreds of posts every month but they don't even read a real marketing book in a whole year. They spend $50 on a WSO or $300 on a course or maybe $2k if it as a well put togheter course that had great marketing. They skim through it maybe implement something, maybe they don't. Doesn't matter 99.999% of the courses on IM out there are shit. You're sometimes worse by doing what you learn in them than just taking a guess. Then there are those who actually buy a $20 book about marketing, advertising, sales, psychology, programming, whatever and read it. They have no clue how to turn that knowledge into money yet but after a few of those books they'll run circles around you in terms of money production because they actually understand what they do not just follow a pack of blind sheep.

    Anyay... just my 2c
     
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  6. charlie3

    charlie3 Senior Member

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    I don't condone what the CEO of GoDaddy did and neither do I find the whole situation funny (I like animals), but I think your name is hilarious!

    The ghost of GoDaddy's Dead Elephant is now in BHW :D

    P.S. Yeah Internet Marketing is hard.
     
  7. cash202

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    BHW is very-very-very tiny sub-niche of a sub-niche of a bigger niche and yet
    many people making full time income within this community. Some have gone
    beyond and build businesses.

    You don't need a huge audience, you only need something that people want
    to buy. If the want to buy it, you don't even have to sell...

    Most of so called "internet marketers" trying to "squeeze" money out of Internet
    or ram some shit down the people's throat. This is a taker mentality. It lead
    nowhere.

    Give people what they want and they will queue to give you their money.
     
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  8. phatzilla

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    200k people, 1% of whom will make over $10,000 in their entire im "Career". The average don't survive, the ones that do well in IM are the ones that would have probably done well at whatever they put their minds to. The ones that come here and make accounts because they heard of "this internet money making site", well, you can guess which category they belong to.
     
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  9. thedon23

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    95% of members here will eventually quit because that "get rich quick scheme" never worked. I'm glad to say I'm part of the 5% that WILL NOT quit, haha!
     
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  10. SweTech

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    Anyone who would like to become good at IM should treat it like an education at a school. Work after a fixed week schedule which you create in the weekend and leave one day open for uncalculated stuff.

    People seem to think that this field is something you can master in a minute. This is certainly not the case.
     
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    The problem in IM is that the beginners are overwhelmed with a lot of "methods" and they try to learn every method and don't have time to apply any...

    I think the way to go for a beginner , is to start reading this forum ( there are also some other good sources , but bhw has the easyest methods for noobs ) and start applying the method that has the most "thanks".
     
  12. kendy

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    Internet marketing is not hard.

    For me : 95% to think / 5% to work

    If you have the method = you have the money
     
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    there are so many niches that has yet to be exploited, and I've been a marketer for years, I still stumble upon great ideas(in my mind) every day. I don't act upon them because I'm lazy, but I can tell you sky is the limit.
     
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    It doesn't depends what others do.I depends on what you Do.

    You are not going to make money even if there are ZERO people at BHW if you are Not taking action.
     
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  15. JasonJJ

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    It is really hard especially for baby boomers. Internet marketing is actually not that hard if you pour into it your complete focus.
     
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  16. Lordstriker

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    I think a lot of People come here for step by step guides..

    They try once, dont have the skills to complete a method..

    They give up....try and sell some shit to everyone else

    Respect to anyone making money here :)

    I was earning long before I turned up here, but the forum has presented me with many joint ventures and some new ideas to expand upon what I do.

    Its nto about focus, I know people who sit around reading article after article, ebook after ebook, post after post, yet they never take action.....they just dont have the drive or the unique twist to a method to make seriouse money.

    IM is a way of life, we spot oppurtunities others dont, we sell people what they already have, we make them want what they never needed, we make users jump through our hoops.

    Methods founded by black hatters eventualy surface to the rest of the world as over priced white hat services.

    Just my ramblings <3
     
  17. Roparadise

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    Internet marketing is a huge industry,and there is enough for people to make alot of money. But the truth is like what other people have said is that most will give up or do not put enough time into IM to make any good money from it. Just Adsense/Adwords alone is a $40 billion a year "industry".
     
  18. thedon23

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    Well said SweTech..wouldn't have said it differently. Been at it since I was 15 or so..19 now, and I still learn new things everyday..literally, everyday, haha.
     
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    Some people give up before they begin.
     
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