Why I find University pointless....

Well you are right no the money part. I decided not to go to college as well. Reason? I have been with IT my whole life. I was coding when I was in 6th grade and taking up Cisco exams for networking when i was in 8th grade.

Did I do it because I had to? No, I wanted to. That's why I enjoyed learning it, which in turn gave me a great base to upgrade my knowledge. Yes uni is great as it will give you a direction, but what if you don't need a direction?

I have been learning how to do stuff myself, and I would never agree on someone else to tell me when I need to learn it (for exams etc). That's why I never got fed up with it. Sometimes I have missed out on valuable knowledge, but the enthusiasm left in me was well more than enough to compensate. Whenever I needed something, i would jump on reading about it and learn it, and actually understand it better than a lot of people - because i had genuine desire to learn.

So when it came down to learning about IM it wasn't a problem for me, I am used to learning on my own, and BHW was my resource instead of books i'd downloading from somewhere.

The only advantage uni has over self-teaching is a diploma. A simple verification as a piece of paper that you know some stuff that you can use to get a job. But if you don't want to get a job, if you want to be your own boss, you will value the quality of the knowledge you have much more than the piece of paper.

If you are a good designer with a PERFECT resume, and u dont have a diploma, the person will see your quality from your product and hire you. If you are straight out of uni with a diploma about being a designer - you will get hired (maybe?) and if you aren't as good as expected fired.

I've done my masters in software engineering and am currently doing my doctrine in psychology.

Let me tell you one thing. You may not think university is worth going to, but the fact of the matter is, I can get any job I want that pays triple what you make online simply because of the pieces of paper I earned through university.

Just food for thought.

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I've done my masters in software engineering and am currently doing my doctrine in psychology.

Let me tell you one thing. You may not think university is worth going to, but the fact of the matter is, I can get any job I want that pays triple what you make online simply because of the pieces of paper I earned through university.

Just food for thought.

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yeah most people that go to college only get their bachelor's though...

edit: and plus you're over exagerating. you wont make 3x more unless pigs fly over the moon..

People who expect to learn the newest and flashiest stuff in college will be disappointed. This isn't plumbing school or cooking school etc.

What you learn in college is how to find and apply knowledge on your own. Like the OPs examppe: "Digital media, such as black and white TV". Whatever principles worked back then, still work now. It would be a useless bloat to teach color TV, internet content delivery, social network theory. They are all the same on the most important level, just more appealing to the audiences today.

So use all this theory to try and create the next level. You already know what the masses want.

To sum it up, college is like the Bible -> both are not meant to be taken literally. Those who cant't get that after 2 years are indeed wasting their money.

ThatBotProgrammer said:

"Ambition without knowledge is like boat on dry land" - Mr Miyagi

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you dont have to go to college to accumulate knowledge..

Deleted member 84902 said:

I've done my masters in software engineering and am currently doing my doctrine in psychology.

Let me tell you one thing. You may not think university is worth going to, but the fact of the matter is, I can get any job I want that pays triple what you make online simply because of the pieces of paper I earned through university.

Just food for thought.

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You can NEVER, earn more money then 'i make'online by a job. Even if you go and prostutute;

Your way of thinking is middleclass.

You get payed IF you work. WE get payed cause we were smart and we build an asset. We don't need a retirement plan. We don't need to think about what IF i'm sick?

it's like you live in 1930. I don't even understand what u doingon blackhatworld 'LOL'.

Here is the thing: If you do succed ONLINE 'i don't mean making 2k -10k monthly, I mean to make those daily without any effort and enjoy your life, cause that's the internet life style.

Then you GOT a degree CALLED: I CAN GET EVERYTHING

I'm not talking about money, i'm talking about the mindset u need to succed.

Your degree is useless as a toilet paper, If you die tomorrow, you can't sell it, you can't pass it to your childeen you can't gift to your childeren.

Only thing u can do is be proud of it as an idiot.

I can sell my business, and i can pass it to my family and they can live their life wetlhy happy withot any problem.

Now Why would u advice someone to put his 5YEARS or more into getting a degree? If the only thing u cn do is to GET A JOB?

Putting 5years into something that u can't sell , pass or gift to someone?

and you are on blackhatworld?

Now, sorry i got this anger in me, but i get really pissed, to see something like this on a IM forum, i wouldn't say anything if it was on your university forum.

When you compare yourself to someone who earns online and say u can make TRIPLE without knowing that perosn, tell me alot about you.

How can you say that if you don't know me, or other marketers here.

People you hang out think like you, and i bet their bank account is also in the thousands,.


Let me goo deeper,


A degree is something that does'nt exist. People Made it up and gave a social statute. There is a reason why most SELF made millionairs and wealthy people don't have a degree.


First you need to understand WEALTH!

Wealth is not YOUR INCOME, wealth is this: If you and your wife stops working today, how long can u live?

Now YOU can't live a damn month with your triple degree, cause when u stop working your money is cut. That's what we call a job = just over broke !

Now If I stop working, i can survive easy 60 years! EASY! SO my wealth is 60 years. IF i raise my income standard i can get up to 25-30 years.

back to topic.

A degree is like Fashion. It's made up. You have to read history books, i have read over 1000 books in the last 5 year. And i puted all of them in action.

And what u will discover if u do the same., a degree is made up and it's to control people and motivate them to "get educated". It's like fashion, everyday brands create new stuff, so the illusion get's THE FEAR: If i don't have the latest i'm outdated!

Big guys that u don't even know they exist, genius motherfuckers created those ideas.


Degree is based on fear, of 'not getting the high class statut of 'hey this guy is smart, he is educated, he even got 2 degrees".

Or the fear of being poor, people study to not be poor.

We work to be rich and wealthy.

It's a mindset that u don't have.

A degree is not a piece of paper, a degree is your Key to "slavery".

Look arround you.


Your degree in software engineer is "ZERO" as ur wasting your time into psychology.

EVERY DAY we are progressing, and technology and software progress the fastest.

What u invest today, tomorrow it's outdated.

NOW you can't put the SAME hours into software engineering and studing psychology.

SO your SOFTWARE degree is awarage and your skills are AVARAGE nothing compared to a SELF tought, who REPEATS and WORKS HARD everyday inh is small room, and your psychology is also ZERO because all u know is

THEORIE.

I have studied 2 years psychology, It's useless if you don't practise it.

It's all theories !

So your knowlegde like is said is just knowlegde.

You are like my sister, she has 3 degrees, 'masters in managenet", LAW" and now she is studing for marketing.

Think 10 times before you post something. Never talk to someone who u don't know and talk about his earnings and compare it to yours.

Btw, don't get in discussion with me, cause i don't have a degree, and i'm stupid.

ThatBotProgrammer said:

"Ambition without knowledge is like boat on dry land" - Mr Miyagi

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what about knowlegde without ambition?

Now we are here without boat on an ocean no ??

ardley216 said:

Greenwich University. It is shit! haha. But the area is BEAUTIFUL!

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Well, that says a lot, don't be surprised then.

I am pretty sure that your experience would have been different if you went to a better University. Then again if you're doing a web design degree ... you'd need to definitely look out of London to find a good University for that.

Greenwich is comparable to Middlesex/Westminster and they are both shit.

But indeed the area is definitely beautiful.

College is really just about increasing your earning cap. Get your cap goes up to 40k. Get your BA and it goes up to 60k and so forth. The boring or pointless classes are there to test your abilities. Once you finish it will be well worth it.

I had my fair share of going to University with about 25K in debt after getting a 2 year degree. After watching this video seems like the University are getting over big time in my opinion..

College Conspiracy

http://youtu.be/VpZtX32sKVE

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Monrox said:

People who expect to learn the newest and flashiest stuff in college will be disappointed. This isn't plumbing school or cooking school etc.

What you learn in college is how to find and apply knowledge on your own. Like the OPs examppe: "Digital media, such as black and white TV". Whatever principles worked back then, still work now. It would be a useless bloat to teach color TV, internet content delivery, social network theory. They are all the same on the most important level, just more appealing to the audiences today.

So use all this theory to try and create the next level. You already know what the masses want.

To sum it up, college is like the Bible -> both are not meant to be taken literally. Those who cant't get that after 2 years are indeed wasting their money.

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I see you are refering to me young boy. (with your two years)

Did u ever read the Bible? Cause you are talking about it's the BIBLE, but u never read the Bible. I can see that because of your Comment.

You did not read the bible, and u are comparing something u don't know yourself and u are still comparing too.

I know what u mean, "bible , the answer to everything". Cause that's what a bible is, the answer to every question u may have.


What u saying is, That facebook, is created by a stupid guy, a college drop out, and still u use it everyday.

The appel, and windows u use, is also created by college dropouts,...

and u use it everyday. So what u say Is, They couldn't graduate that's why they changed the world? lol

If you can create your own job and buy your house in CASH without any loan, then u can graduate ANY university.

I really wonder what people are doingon blackhat world?

are u trying to get a blackhatworld.com degree? LOL.

Seriously, u think your middleclass mindset is going to take u above?

The time you graduate, and start to work off your ass off, 'for pennies' your friend who left university and >worked hard in im will buy his house with CASH. By the time u get your first promotion, he will retire.

We live in INFORMATION ERA, u are outdated , u think like my parrents, like your parrents, you are still programmed.

I don't have any knowlegde in software engineering, but i do have 7 softwares as a part of my income stream.

You have to understand what a asset it, if u do understand u will understand that a degree is not an asset, it's just a key to work for money.

key to wealth and happyness, is to make money work for you.

If i didn't left university i would graduate 2years ago. My friend graduated 2 years ago.

He is genius in what he does. And he works for me as i pay him twice as what he would get to work with a big company. guess what, he is my best asset, he makes me 17 times more money then i pay him.

He doesn't even ask about it, his mindset is so narrow like yours.

I have websites in over 18 langues, and i understand none of them.. All of them Exact match domains, and are ranked in top 3. I dont even know about what they are. All i know is they are generating money with adsense very single month.

Now get your degree boy !

Edit: I just realised, alot of members here see online marketing as a game, as a trick, as a 'way to make some bucks'. that's why we see this type of comments. I don't meant to attack you, just take is as an opinion of a online marketer who takes IM the most serious thing in the world.


Just take this from me as a friend:
Life get's excited, when u don't have to think about money anymore., that's when u really live. and a degree and a job can't give u that.

99% of People put more time into their work, then they put with their family and loved ones. I chose this route, now i'm with my family all the time.

I hope u do understand my point of view. It's not about money, it's about freedom.

Problem with a degree is, when u get it, ur in that world and never out, once u start your first job, u don't have time and energy to think about your life and own business, cause you have to do your work WELL to not get fired.

99% of people getting heart attack is always in the morning between 8-9. why do u think it is?

I wish I'd gone to Uni, networking, got the contacts, got the links,
I don't think it would've changed me from who I am.
I could give my daughter a high paying full time job in IM but I tell
her to to major in Gothic English literature yeh it's weird because I can't
see the point but she kills me at scrabble. her brain works in way mine don't.
I have always loved learning and if I hd my time again I would put knowledge
over money.

joefresh said:

I see you are refering to me young boy. (with your two years)

Did u ever read the Bible? Cause you are talking about it's the BIBLE, but u never read the Bible. I can see that because of your Comment.

You did not read the bible, and u are comparing something u don't know yourself and u are still comparing too.

I know what u mean, "bible , the answer to everything". Cause that's what a bible is, the answer to every question u may have.


What u saying is, That facebook, is created by a stupid guy, a college drop out, and still u use it everyday.

The appel, and windows u use, is also created by college dropouts,...

blah blah blah

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Maybe if you'd stayed at school, you'd be halfway literate, be able to string a sentence together, be able to write in a semi-coherent manner, have basic reading comprehension skills, and you wouldn't be a complete and utter retard.

Autumn said:

Maybe if you'd stayed at school, you'd be halfway literate, be able to string a sentence together, be able to write in a semi-coherent manner, have basic reading comprehension skills, and you wouldn't be a complete and utter retard.

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English is not my main language and i don't care what u think, i do care that u are stupid. and i was waiting for someone like u to come up and comment on english.

I speak 6 Languages, u speak how many 1? and u call me non literate?

what's your age? 35 with a degree hoping to quit his job? or in the 20is trying to find the next best way to make money online.

A retard is the one who calls the other a retard.

I do forgive you for your ignorance as u are >narrow minded.

The highest u will get in your life is a job. Work hard, as they do really check your spelling and grammer at your job.

There is a reason, why your post was useless, cause you are useless.

You didn't gave anything useful to this thread. That's being a retard as you are wasting your timE.

joefresh said:

Read your Topic = U said, Wherever u go for a CODING JOB. Yes if u want a job degree is a must. But as we are all here at BHW, means we want everything but a job no?

In europe is the same buddy, if u want a job to clean toilets, they ask u a degree, i sitll quesiton my self, where do hookers get their degree?

lol

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those poor gals are working the streets to pay back their school tuition and many on Im earn the $$$ but also many don't but in those coding jobs you sit like a robot behind a desk programming for 8 hours , its not a life but it earns good $$$ and the degree adds to the amount you get paid on most job offers here for programming 95% say they wanna see a b.s degree in comp. science or IT related or equivalent work experience, also some asshole employers would fire a person for the excuse of not having a diploma , in the end it all depends on what the person wants to do in life Degree=job security,steady income, no freedom IM=no job security, earn good,independent,choose your own working times or be broke and do pennies jobs online from your parents basement, what i like about IM is the variety, its not always the same you can find many options to earn with.

c0ntenth|ef said:

those poor gals are working the streets to pay back their school tuition and many on Im earn the $$$ but also many don't but in those coding jobs you sit like a robot behind a desk programming for 8 hours , its not a life but it earns good $$$ and the degree adds to the amount you get paid on most job offers here for programming 95% say they wanna see a b.s degree in comp. science or IT related or equivalent work experience, also some asshole employers would fire a person for the excuse of not having a diploma , in the end it all depends on what the person wants to do in life Degree=job security,steady income, no freedom IM=no job security, earn good,independent,choose your own working times or be broke and do pennies jobs online from your parents basement, what i like about IM is the variety, its not always the same you can find many options to earn with.

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Indeed. But if u think deeper, Im can give u the BEST security. Ofcourse if u do succeed and know what u doing.

Like i said, it's an asset, u can sell or even just stop working.

I'm doing nothing now, already for 5 months, i took a break, and my income is solid metal stable. I can live like this forever.

I just needed to take my time and chill arround, observe ect.

I do think to go to usa and live their for couple of years (i live now in monaco) for the 0 icome tax as u can guess. (at this moment i'm in belgium until new year)

So u see, if u did your work well and worked hard, u do have a security (i dont call it a job secuity) but a security, freedom.

All i wanted to do was share my experience, and those " smart educated, people with their degree are checking my grammer and spelling as u can see".

In the world of IM we call them the "Poor Narrow Minded People". In their society they are the 'smart educated people' and We are the EVIL rich people.


I mean coman, I don't even pay 1 dollar for tax and almost 40% in europe goes to tax.

and people still don't understand what a degree is.

Ah, i just stop replying to this thread, as i see the wrong people are on this forum.

Sooner or later they will get lost..

We need to put a TEST: before people can join this forum. 9-5 mentality is for jobs.com not blackhatworld.com

Stay in University and change your major to something that interests you. Programming languages can be self taught if you have the knack.

Also, I can think of some other very good reasons to stay in school - or at least they were good reasons when I was in college. Girls every where and beer.

joefresh said:

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A retard is the one who calls the other a retard.

I do forgive you for your ignorance as u are >narrow minded.

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There is a reason, why your post was useless, cause you are useless.

You didn't gave anything useful to this thread. That's being a retard as you are wasting your timE.

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Put language, grammar and other stuff aside, Autumn, you just got 0wn3d. wned:

No offense intended.

Joefresh, very good posts. +rep to you man!