Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by ardley216, Nov 15, 2011.
I'm in engineering... And even though I gotta say some (read "most") of the disciplines I take are outdated and obsolete, I'm happy with having been able to learn the systematic mindset that engineering has given me. I feel like my mind's a lot more ordered now than before... (Not that I'm any richer...) XD
u never know what information will be useful sometimes. I am without any kind of official education in IT, and sometimes i need to call up my friend (who has IT education from uni) to tell me some basic shit :S
I wish i had the opp to go to Uni and get some decent base for my IT knowledge
well - kinda same here ... Im from Croatia 3rd year of graphic and web design , wasted too much money and learned nothing - and have full time job so i can pay my college...
i learned more from w3schools,BHW
YOU ARE NOT ALONE
Maybe true, But when you learn what you are doing from the ground up, you can never go wrong. the syllabuses in University are totally out dated for fast moving subjects like the internet. Let's not forget WWW internet is barely 20 years old!
I would say people who are NOT dedicated to doing their subject and have NO intention of doing things OUTSIDE of the classroom will find university valuable. Some of my classmates think they're the shit because they know how to write a query in SQL...
My first degree was useless and spent 3 years unemployed after it, then did a masters in AI and atleast those skills I have found ways to use online to make some money, still no job though :-(
Well I don't want to be in uni either - I'm making money now and don't plan on a traditional job, so why spend money to plan to do something I don't intend to do? - but it probably would have been better to pick a more useful major. I've been doing web design since 10 like you but I'm majoring in computer science because that will be much more useful if I were to get a job - even as a web designer or developer - and I can easily specialize or minor in web design, graphic arts, graphic communication, etc.
Agree with the two above comments.
I mean, I was talking after that lecture with my friend, we don't want to GET a job, woerk the 9 - 5. We wanted to MAKE jobs, do something that we love rather than someone else loves.
ALL of my class mates haven't made a penny from the internet, where as I am earning nearly the same as my lecturers.
If there is one thing that BHW teaches us is that you OUT SOURCE everything. Of course you should understand it before you outsource it. But I would rather USE peoples skills to make money than have the skills in the first place. I'm sure I heard a quote somewhere saying.. "it's not what you know, it's who you know"... This is BHW!
Honestly, I wish most people would learn more about real design and mark up before they try and do things with PHP. The fundamentals of design (alignment, readability, grouping, etc) are fantastic things to learn, and they can really have a huge impact on a site. Just because something is generated dynamically doesn't mean that it will automatically be read by someone. Hopefully that's the stuff they were focusing on.
I wouldn't go to school for things like web design / coding / internet marketing type things. However, I definitely think its worth it if you want to study things like economics, English (journalism, creative writing), and advanced business etc.
You guys are correct. School just teaches you structure and management (time management among others). I did EE in undergrad my professors always reaffirm that this classes are just to prove that you can learn, your employer will teach you their own materials and things, turns out that's not completely true either. Now I make my living doing IM. My conclusion is that is good to have something that your control. With IM you control your time, your income, and their is no fair of getting fired. I just want to continue learning, trying new things, and making more money, and also invest in more concrete stuff that can not be disrupt by Google changes or Bing. In other wards, take this money and put it somewhere more stable.
BHW is being helping me with more ideas and... Thanks guys.
If BHW can teach me every single thing about the human body, how to diagnose & treat sporting injuries, and how to massage .. Then maybe I will give up Uni for it Until then, I am happy with what they are teaching me!
SEO/IM is mostly a robotic work, I don't like being a robot. I just do it because it brings money.
An M.Sc. in mathematics certainly helps when it comes to generation of ideas. Plus, I'm a fan of science and enjoy the fact that I can read & understand new papers on arxiv.org.
Well, the thing about college is that it isn't necessarily geared towards the market. There's soooooo much govt. money available that a lot of the courses of study are pretty pointless. Most of the courses of study could be learned, more efficiently, on the job.
I'm speaking from a US standpoint. The other problem, especially here in the US, is that our educational system sux. But that's due to too much government intervention also. I was thinking to myself last night that when I was in the 8th grade they MADE us take a course on "Workforce Skills" (or whatever it was called). But the point is that i went into high school knowing how to write a resume, how to conduct myself at an interview, and lots of other stuff.
I think that, worldwide, we have to evaluate what works best for the market and let local and state governments do what works best and get the Feds out of it.
Sounds like the OP is at more of a technical college than a true university. Real universities don't really teach web design or PHP; if you learn to code in a computer science department, it would probably be in Java, C or maybe Python.
I have a degree in English and psychology, and while it might not be immediately relevant to my chosen career (high volume search engine spammer), it definitely enriched my life experience, improved my brain and understanding of the world, and improved my ability to work on long term projects in a structured manner.
I started uni as a computer science major and quickly realized the same thing you did, that they aren't teaching me anything I can't learn on my own. I switched into economics and marketing and it turned out to be a great decision.
If you are looking to work for a firm that specializes in coding/web design, it is important that you have a diploma with that major on it. If you are looking to actually learn or become an entrepreneur, I'd recommend switching into something that you want to learn but don't already know... or double major?
Career Connections? Haha took that shit! I didn't realize other people were forced to do it too. We also had to do Tech Ed which was actually pretty cool - different "stations" you were at every week or so where you did things like web design, radio broadcasting, robotics, engineering, etc.
I think many of you have either had the same experience as me, or had the same ideas.
I SERIOUSLY wish I had carried on with the business foundations I did. I just wanted to get "web design Bsc Hons" on my CV. For me, it's too far into the course to change.
I would say, if you are thinking of going to university, study something that can be APPLIED to what you want to do. For IM, I recommend an internet/ecommerce orientated business course.
I graduated this July.. and literally only went just for the safety net aspect.
Completely agree though, you can learn much more about IM here.
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