Why Facebook Introduced Email - It's To Bust YOU!

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It's late.. while I was going through forums here I noticed some posts about people getting legal notices from Facebook. Then I noticed some mentioning something about the CANSPAM act... suddenly, the thought about their recent launch of the facebook email coupled with other knowledge of their history with prosecuting spammers revealed a less than wholesome reason for why facebook endevored to launch the email service... its quite possible they did it to get YOU.. the BHer.

Many of you may not know this, but facebook has been quite successful in the past at prosecuting spammers. So successful, they are currently the Guinness Book of World Record holders for it.. they have won cases to the tune of approximately $1.5 BILLION. That's just from memory so forgive me if I'm a little off on the exact figure. Nonetheless it's up there, and nobody else has come close to winning as many or as high amounts as they have.

Not to long ago, after winning their latest spam case for around $700+ Million, they were attempting to get the meaning of the CANSPAM act to extend to them by somehow redefining the meaning of the term ISP (again, if I recall correctly.. it's late, so feel free to correct me if you need to.. but doesn't change my point).. As I was reading today, I realized that now that they have become email providers, they have now gotten that protection extended to them. Did you notice how they integrated the email into their services? It's not separate, it is completely and entirely integrated into every aspect of communication. Zucky called it innovation, I call it positioning for even more lawsuit money.

With all this in mind, I hate to say it, but if you are considering spamming Facebook, I think you have to think twice about it now. It is not the same when what you are doing has laws that have defined prosecution measures. Before you just lost and account and started up another, now the consequences are potentially not so easy.

I bring this up because its a thought I had that might get people thinking about what is really going on. Why facebook made this move now of all times in the wake of their recent legal wins against spammers. Now with the change they have made, their bite went from piranha to bull shark.

Am I way off base here? Or can anybody else see what I see unfolding?
 
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I think that the scope of the CAN Spam Act extends to all kinds of electronic messages since its entry into force in 2003 - which means that it can be applied not only to e-mail messages, but also to personal messages (PMs), or even wall posts. It's basically future-proof. Facebook doesn't need to introduce email services to be protected under this Act.
 
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Very perceptive. I dont think you are off base at all. My brother sent me a long email today and we had a convo about this. We were talking about what Google CEO said about it. But thats another discussion.
MisterGemini said:
Zucky called it innovation, I call it positioning for even more lawsuit money.

With all this in mind, I hate to say it, but if you are considering spamming Facebook, I think you have to think twice about it now. It is not the same when what you are doing has laws that have defined prosecution measures. Before you just lost and account and started up another, now the consequences are potentially not so easy.
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Yeah, lawsuits are quickly becoming a significant source of revenue for FB.

So are you saying that all wallpost and updates basically any SPAM you put on there will be subject to CANSPAM? Not just the message SPAMing?
 
KBC-12 said:
Very perceptive. I dont think you are off base at all. My brother sent me a long email today and we had a convo about this. We were talking about what Google CEO said about it. But thats another discussion.



Yeah, lawsuits are quickly becoming a significant source of revenue for FB.

So are you saying that all wallpost and updates basically any SPAM you put on there will be subject to CANSPAM? Not just the message SPAMing?
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Any aspect of facebook which has any sort of links to the new email service (which is practically everything) now gives them easy picking for prosecution.

As phph5 said, there have been provisions for this within the act, however, facebook in the past has had to prove their case and how it applies. Now, it's just a slam dunk.

I noticed another thread where people have started to pickup on being able to harvest emails from FB. I just got this really bad feeling everyone is walking right into a honeypot that will bring a world of hurt. FB is not a public company like the others. They do whatever they want. They don't need to take actions to please shareholders and have no legal obligations to operating for profit only. As I have stated though, they can certainly profit big time on ruining BHers lives.
 
Wow. This is some serious stuff right here. I never thought about it like this but it makes a lot of sense.

So any spamming on facebook whatsoever or even unofficial promotional work could be penalized (i.e. making an event advertising a cpa offer)? Or is this just pertaining to wall and message spam? What about super viral apps that hijack you account and can advertise all kinds of things for you? In the past Zuck hasn't wanted to remove these because of the "open" app marketplace (or whatever it's called) I know this because a while back there was an app that harvested info for a virus and they were hesitant to take it down (but obviously did eventually). So basically what I'm asking is under these pretenses, what constitutes as spam?
 
LiamLC said:
Wow. This is some serious stuff right here. I never thought about it like this but it makes a lot of sense.

So any spamming on facebook whatsoever or even unofficial promotional work could be penalized (i.e. making an event advertising a cpa offer)? Or is this just pertaining to wall and message spam? What about super viral apps that hijack you account and can advertise all kinds of things for you? In the past Zuck hasn't wanted to remove these because of the "open" app marketplace (or whatever it's called) I know this because a while back there was an app that harvested info for a virus and they were hesitant to take it down (but obviously did eventually). So basically what I'm asking is under these pretenses, what constitutes as spam?
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Spam basically unsolicitated bulk email, but i think everything you say up there can somehow be twisted to be clasified as spam. At the end of the day, FB spam definition would be anything that doesnt make them money
 
Interesting comments... If Facebook are taking on Search also they may be looking at a way to make pages more relevant to users. The reason why someone would use another search engine other than google is because of reliability of information and trust. Which is why they are probably trying to prevent and control spam...

Its got to make you wonder where the future will be in 2 years time?
 
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I highly doubt facebook launched their email platform for the purpose of busting spammers. Sure, they could use it to catch spammers, but I dont think thats the purpose of it.
 
mudbutt said:
I highly doubt facebook launched their email platform for the purpose of busting spammers. Sure, they could use it to catch spammers, but I dont think thats the purpose of it.
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They are just trying to target two thing, First a Good Experience for their users and second, they become Stronger than ever enough to use the can spam act to sue the Spammers. Well done FB! :rolleyes:
 
Well, I agree with those that say it was not launch to target spammers, but, I also think they did take that into consideration. I am sure they had to think that if they launched an email, they would get attacked with spam.

On a side note, I would likely lose my argument in court, but I would argue that if Facebook has spam filters on their walls, and my posts make it past their filters, then my posts are not spam. It has passed their filters, their filters define what spam is on Facebook.
 
Charles, im with you...as how do you define spam? Is it a url pointing to your own website or a reference article? whats the point of the internet if you cant share links and material.

Again if facebook allows it on their site..I guess they would have to approve of it. maybe?
 
Websites like facebook can go to any extent to track spammers, they will use any tool at their disposal to burst spammers, they won't admit it but they will use their email service to do it.
 
If you haven't already, I'd take fb off your list of sites to spam. They are money hungry and will do anything to sue spammers to make a point.
 
KBC-12 said:
Yeah, lawsuits are quickly becoming a significant source of revenue for FB.
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WTF are you serious BRO?

They are just going after spammers cause they want to protect their system from becoming a SPAM fest.

If you owned Facebook dude you would so want to protect your stuff from spammers so that users use your system and keep clicking on the damn little ads etc.
 
MisterGemini said:
It's late.. while I was going through forums here I noticed some posts about people getting legal notices from Facebook. Then I noticed some mentioning something about the CANSPAM act... suddenly, the thought about their recent launch of the facebook email coupled with other knowledge of their history with prosecuting spammers revealed a less than wholesome reason for why facebook endevored to launch the email service... its quite possible they did it to get YOU.. the BHer.

Many of you may not know this, but facebook has been quite successful in the past at prosecuting spammers. So successful, they are currently the Guinness Book of World Record holders for it.. they have won cases to the tune of approximately $1.5 BILLION. That's just from memory so forgive me if I'm a little off on the exact figure. Nonetheless it's up there, and nobody else has come close to winning as many or as high amounts as they have.

Not to long ago, after winning their latest spam case for around $700+ Million, they were attempting to get the meaning of the CANSPAM act to extend to them by somehow redefining the meaning of the term ISP (again, if I recall correctly.. it's late, so feel free to correct me if you need to.. but doesn't change my point).. As I was reading today, I realized that now that they have become email providers, they have now gotten that protection extended to them. Did you notice how they integrated the email into their services? It's not separate, it is completely and entirely integrated into every aspect of communication. Zucky called it innovation, I call it positioning for even more lawsuit money.

With all this in mind, I hate to say it, but if you are considering spamming Facebook, I think you have to think twice about it now. It is not the same when what you are doing has laws that have defined prosecution measures. Before you just lost and account and started up another, now the consequences are potentially not so easy.

I bring this up because its a thought I had that might get people thinking about what is really going on. Why facebook made this move now of all times in the wake of their recent legal wins against spammers. Now with the change they have made, their bite went from piranha to bull shark.

Am I way off base here? Or can anybody else see what I see unfolding?
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You're deluded. They may have been awarded 1 billion but that doesn't mean they got much more than a few thousand dollars in fines. You are so off with this it's not even worth bothering going into it. Stupid thread.
 
can spam is rarely enforced unless you are using phished accounts
 
Why not hide/cloak your affiliate links in a PHP and get it redirected to the offer page?

I was told Firebug can see your affiliate id's but not if you use PHP redirects.

Someone clear up this issue please??


Thanks!
 
dvno879 said:
Why not hide/cloak your affiliate links in a PHP and get it redirected to the offer page?

I was told Firebug can see your affiliate id's but not if you use PHP redirects.

Someone clear up this issue please??


Thanks!
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We were talking about this in another thread dvno. How you perform the redirect (PHP, Javascript, whatever..) doesn't matter, Firebug (as well as other traffic sniffers) allows you to easily look at http headers.

You cannot prevent someone from finding out what site there browser is taking them to. It just doesn't work like that.
 
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