Why CB Sucks for Vendors

ScrapeBoss said:
Not that there are many refunders. The problem is that you might be unlucky to come across a bunch of scammer who call themselves buyers.

For a membership site, you can still get refunds. The buyer would just download everything that is available on your site and send a ticket to clickbank for refund. Who losses? you:(

For a membership site, make sure you dont release all the products at once or else you wont get any money at the end of the 60 days.
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I should be good them, there is free information new chapters etc every few weeks. So I hope people stick around : P
 
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I really feel for you. But it's good your understanding the game.

neo3187 said:
This isnt just a RISK this is big irony :( ... the only genuine sales iam getting are through my affiliates, maybe because of the trust factor... earlier some guy got a refund and his name was aawwwg aawwdd :confused:
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That means at least 5 different payment tools (like credit cards) must have been used to purchase your product.

For instance, if you have a threshold of $100 and your balance is $560 with purchases made by the same buyer using the same credit card, clickbank ont pay you.

You need to wait till other buyers with at least 4 more different credit cards come to buy from you.

After that, you would get paid.

neo3187 said:
Can you elaborate please? :)
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Yes. Make the site to be full of chapters and phases and you would have many people staying.

KlaAz0r said:
I should be good them, there is free information new chapters etc every few weeks. So I hope people stick around : P
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ScrapeBoss said:
That means at least 5 different payment tools (like credit cards) must have been used to purchase your product.

For instance, if you have a threshold of $100 and your balance is $560 with purchases made by the same buyer using the same credit card, clickbank ont pay you.

You need to wait till other buyers with at least 4 more different credit cards come to buy from you.

After that, you would get paid.
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that is it?? no time threshold?? cz ive got sales through my affiliates also... none of those buyers have taken a refund...
 
Check. You must have a threshold. Every clickbank account (whether vendor or affiliate) has a threshold.

neo3187 said:
that is it?? no time threshold?? cz ive got sales through my affiliates also... none of those buyers have taken a refund...
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ScrapeBoss said:
Check. You must have a threshold. Every clickbank account (whether vendor or affiliate) has a threshold.
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ive launched the product as a WSO also and to be very honest I find it better... no hassles at all....catering the target audience... CB has driven me nuts... i see a sales notification mail but I dont feel ive earned anything as I have no idea when will I get the check..
 
Refunds are part of your losses. These are digital products so the terms "return" and "refund" are somewhat irrelevant.
 
Clickbank rip-off users make such purchase and if they didn't find push button solution to their make money problems or <insert reason> they'll ask for refund. I think there should be buyers protection policy atleast in some network. Sad to see such transaction of yours hurting your business. Why not move to e-junkie or any other better site ?
 
Start phone verifying sales there are many of these services.

... Make a page. Before you can continue your purchase we need to verify your identity...

(Google MaxMind or there are other companies which provide this service)

Then you can show click bank that they did in fact want to purchase the item. Log there IP and show it to click bank and ask them to compare that IP to the persons to see if they are lieing.
 
You are right with your suggestions. Unfortunately, clickbank does not listen to those things.

Once a refund or chargeback is to be claimed within those 60 days, you have no point.

the_demon said:
Start phone verifying sales there are many of these services.

... Make a page. Before you can continue your purchase we need to verify your identity...

(Google MaxMind or there are other companies which provide this service)

Then you can show click bank that they did in fact want to purchase the item. Log there IP and show it to click bank and ask them to compare that IP to the persons to see if they are lieing.
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You right. e-junkie is good. The problem is that you wont be able to get affiliates promoting your products for you.

There are thousands of hoplinks per day from clickbank affiliates promoting my products. Imagine how much that would cost if I were to generate such page views per day through ppc, ppv, etc.

synfig said:
Clickbank rip-off users make such purchase and if they didn't find push button solution to their make money problems or <insert reason> they'll ask for refund. I think there should be buyers protection policy atleast in some network. Sad to see such transaction of yours hurting your business. Why not move to e-junkie or any other better site ?
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Oh really? and how many scamming CB vendors are there?4
If you look for alternative payment processors to stop the refunds then you should take another look at your business model or the crap you are selling rather than blaming the innocent who believed your salespage.

9/10 of CB products are useless and hence the refund policy.

ibwsw525 said:
It's really too bad that scammers get to keep the product PLUS get their money back. I like the way Templatemonster does their transactions. Some time ago I purchased a template from them using my cc. Before they even sent the link to download, they called me first to make sure the transaction was legit. That's how they avoid charge backs.

All pay processors should allow merchants to call customers to verify the purchase. In addition, refunds should not be given for digital downloads. It leaves no recourse for the merchant who loses out on their product and their money. However, there is a way to render digital downloads useless if the customer decides he wants the product for free and his money back as well.
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maybe your product is just shitty like 98% of the stuff on clickbank.

So it's one refund. Who cares.


And yeah, if anyone is a scammer it's the vendor.
 
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Hey. Dont mix things up. Refund is not the same thing as chargeback.

Bross said:
Oh really? and how many scamming CB vendors are there?4
If you look for alternative payment processors to stop the refunds then you should take another look at your business model or the crap you are selling rather than blaming the innocent who believed your salespage.

9/10 of CB products are useless and hence the refund policy.
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You mean products like "how to cook italian food" or "how to clean computer registry" are also shitty?

How much dollars are the products promising you to make per month? :D

dennisyu said:
maybe your product is just shitty like 98% of the stuff on clickbank.

So it's one refund. Who cares.


And yeah, if anyone is a scammer it's the vendor.
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Bross said:
Oh really? and how many scamming CB vendors are there?4
If you look for alternative payment processors to stop the refunds then you should take another look at your business model or the crap you are selling rather than blaming the innocent who believed your salespage.

9/10 of CB products are useless and hence the refund policy.
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There are scamming vendors, but far fewer than you seem to think.

Many Clickbank products, to a complete newbie, can indeed be helpful. If you're an experienced marketer, you might find them worthless, but that would equate to me saying all books in kindergarten classes are worthless, simply because I personally don't get anything out of them.

The fact is, if they were truly scams, the FTC would (and does) shut them down.

I know that my last launch actually had a couple people personally email me to tell me that my offer helped them.

There are some offers that are just plain bad, but the "scam" reputation is perpetuated by people who expected a fast, cheap, easy way to make obscene money.

There are ways to make obscene money, but none of them are fast, cheap, and easy. Kelly Felix said it best:

People will just go, "I bought your program. Soooo... when will money start being deposited in my bank account? Oh wait, I have to actually DO something? Nevermind, I'm out. You're a scam!"
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I don't understand how people can rationalize that kind of attitude.

If you're an intermediate at IM, then stay away from Clickbank offers, because you're probably already past them. It doesn't make them scams. It means you're just more advanced than their target audience.

dennisyu said:
maybe your product is just shitty like 98% of the stuff on clickbank.

So it's one refund. Who cares.


And yeah, if anyone is a scammer it's the vendor.
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If you think this, you know nothing about Clickbank, which means your opinion really carries no weight.
 
The ironic thing here is that neo3187's product is not actually shit, im using it and after 7 days of using the templates and advice in his product, im already seeing a good 10% clickthrough rate with Google Adsense. Just need to achieve rankings now for higher visitors.

Sure there are shitty vendors who scam people to shit with over hyped bullshit, but there are actually some genuine vendors with decent products.

The trouble with money making products is that you need the bullshit hype of for example 'make $3000 in 30 days', or people will simple pass it by. Imagine telling potential buyers the truth 'make $0 in the first 3 months while your new website is being indexed properly in Google, then maybe if you are lucky and have created good enough content, done all your SEO properly and have built enough quality backlinks, you will maybe earn up to $3000 per month', nobody in the world would purchase that product.

Buyers want results yesterday, when we are spending our own money we are at our most demanding. People will try a product for 7 days (or less) and give up thinking the product is shit and either charge-back or demand a refund.

It is swings and roundabouts, and the internet seems to always favour the buyers with transactions. So vendors need a tougher skin and accept this shit happens.
 
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