Why Black Hat means honest purchase!

Hi Guys,

Just got to get something off my chest. Heard this guy saying how bad black hats are and how they ruin the online industry for everybody else. Gave a story about how people are being ripped off by monsters and stuff like that.

So i got to thinking. Just how bad are we? I mean, we take stuff that apparently we're not supposed to take and then use it to our advantage.

It is true. But so is it true that when that that ebook or script or software or video makes us money, we say thank you to the developers by paying for their product (even if we got it already). At least, thats the way i see it.

Also we help them market their product and i know many developers who have secretly released their products in to the wild for free, so they get exposure.

Also and more importantly. What customer ever buys anything that they can't try out? When you buy a Ferrari, you don't just hand over the green stuff and take delivery before you've test-driven it. They don't say to you - why don't you take the cut-down version of the Ferrari with the fiat engine for 30 days.

No. I reckon that Black Hat is about right. Get the product, try it out and then if it returns value - then you should bloody well pay for it.

Over and out!
Rudy

im softwares and ebooks sharing are no different than movies and games warez industry which is done by 80% people in the world. I see people having no trouble downloading games and movies from rapidshare, but when it comes to ebooks they say is wrong. Why? Is the same shit...

Nick Flame said:

im softwares and ebooks sharing are no different than movies and games warez industry which is done by 80% people in the world. I see people having no trouble downloading games and movies from rapidshare, but when it comes to ebooks they say is wrong. Why? Is the same shit...

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because they know their book is crap and they just want to take their money and run to the next sucker

Yeah, and there is always some e-book authors which copy/paste someones method and sell it for $100.

Is that worth of the price? Mostly no. But sometimes you can recognize real authors with real methods. For they books I will pay. For some BS books nope.

For software it's always try - and then buy.

I find that black hat is not worse than marketing itself. I think that 99% of the things I ever bought in my life were crap anyway.

Black hat's freakin awesome. I'm a newbie and just started reading stuff on this forum, and it's starting to make sense where all those "survey" email marketing ads are coming from. I'm hoping to learn more and finally crack the code for financial freedom.

yea, 99% of the IM infoproduct arena is a pyramid scheme... sell an ebook on how to sell ebooks to others is what's really going on if you think about it

Rudyvise, kudos to you for bringing this up. It jolted my memory and I remembered that I had read somewhere sometime back on an IT article that gave a description about the so-called "trouble-makers" in the internet realm. Under Blackhatters, I don't really remember the actual words, but it was along the line of Blackhatters main goal was to steal from others. It went on to say that in such a realm there was no honour among thieves and therefore blackhatters were even being scammed by fellow blackhatters. Somehow in some way, that sentence abt bhters being scammed by other bhters has a bit of truth. But it is mainly a few black sheep that give blackhatters a bad name. Which brings me to something I have long wanted to say, BHW sets itself apart from that label. I noticed how scammers or thieves are quickly condemned and weeded out in here. In an ironical sort of way, BHW appears to be the WH of the BH industry in terms of integrity towards each other. A role model of some sorts. Well I betta stop ranting lest I offend/bore anyone. Just my 2-cents worth.

The turn off I have with ebooks is when they charge me for something in which they have more aff links than content. It's typically just the same old rehashed shit that they put in an ebook as an excuse/opportunity to get their affiliate links in front of people.

If I had a technique that was really going to make a killing, I probably wouldn't part with it. If I had a decent technique that required some automation or "tools" to truly pull if off successfully, I'd give it away. I'd take my $10/ebook in lost sales as a loss-leader for the real money to be made by having a shitload more people with my ebook and my affiliate links in front of them for the tools to automate the technique.

Now I just need to find something that actually works

I think most of the ppl that complain are those that know their product is shit. Most black hatters [a true black hatter at least] will support a product if it works as it says and they use it because they know that these very products make their life easier and the developers need to be supported to make more products to help them.

yep, its gotta be value for value.

These vendors cannot expect people to spend their hard earned cash on products that can't provide any value.

I'll pay for a bike up front because i know once i sit on it i will get some value. But a "secret ebook" - Who knows if there is any value there?

Just who are the con artists anyway? The (so called ) White Hats or the Black Hats?).

shylesson said:

I think most of the ppl that complain are those that know their product is shit.

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Don't think so... Work on a script for two months, night and day, put your hopes up and then see it shared on all forums and you not taking any profit from your work...

Well until I found bhw I personally spent 1000's on crap useless stuff that never earned me a penny.
I have used a few bh methods recently and have already earned some money not a lot yet but I am getting there.
Most of the stuff out there is junk anyway and at least by searching through bhw I can often try software and ebooks before I waste my hard earned money.
If I do happen to find some great software or quality product then I will have no problem paying for it.

My point is - why are these people making ebooks, videos, software and stuff if they are making so much money doing internet marketing?

This guy i was talking to the other day said he is making $40K profit a month from his trading systems and then proceeded to tell me he was going to change direction and starting focusing on selling his trading software to newbies.

There is obviously more money in educational ebooks and software than there is in the product ideas they are selling to their customers. Do you want to sell attractive sounding ebooks to unsuspecting newbies - or make money through adsense, CPA and online retail?

Sounds like a no brainer.

Another sign of how it really is the alternative IM moneymaking methods that are actually delivering for average people, is the ferocious badmouthing these methods get. I actually netted thousands of dollars from autosurfs, and related e-Gold-dependent transactions a few years ago. Pay to surfs and non PayPal processors then proceeded to get hammered with ridiculous negative PR, DDOS attacks and government harassment, to the point where confidence in (and the reliability of) the sites have withered.

As much as SEO monetizing is pushed, it seems to not work for 98% of the folks who try it. Yet some interests appear want the online world safe for only the same old SEO/Google dependent methodology to be the sole option for aspiring marketers. Ditto for them also denying a choice in the market for those of us who don't buy into the holy doctrine of perpetual intellectual rights for digital copies, where mere copies of software and files are treated like physical originals. Blackhatters and file sharers threaten the business model of monopoly distribution of media that can be, in fact, readily copied and re-distributed. If BH shows the world ways to make money and access data that bypasses the gurus, how will they be able to keep re-selling their 1s and 0s of computer files filled with crap?

I am yet to find an ebook or online promoted marketing strategy that is worth even a free download.

People who sell them just want your money -- they know that for 99.9% of the people who buy the product, it will be a waste of money. It's not possible to give either a free trial or any money back, because everyone will be requesting a refund.

In my opinion, the so called "authors" are people (many are black hat) who steal the content from sites like this, bundle it together and try to sell it to the clueless public.

I absolutely would not feel guilty about downloading it, I just think it's a waste of time.

Am I wrong? Can someone suggest an ebook that offers something unique?

So true. White hatters are the bad ones. Their "systems" and "programs" often suck so bad they mislead you into thinking it is as good as black hat. Kinda ironic lol. I bought autostumble and it is my first blackhat purchase, and compared to all my other white hat purchases (including traffic, so glad I have never paid for leads lol) It is the only purchase that actually does what you are told it does. So glad i moved to black hatting, no wonder rich jerk says he spends most of his time black hatting.

Tough luck convincing me that I am a bad guy.