Who's making REAL money with website design here?

I want to design websites along with other services for local businesses but read that web design is really saturated. I just don't want to waste my time if it's like that.

If I can't pull in at least one design a week at $500 it's not worth it to me.

So what kind of money are some of you pulling in designing websites?

First web design is not saturated as it is an individual and creative art - so it will evolve through perpetuity.

But selling your services is the key to making money - If you can sell there is no upper limit to what you can make

Good Luck

steelballs is right, I'm a web designer and I make no money. It;s a matter of selling your skills and the ones that buy it makes a difference.

I do make money as a webdesigner an developer, and I can tell you it's absolutely not saturated, as long as you're able to sell your skills and services, especially to local businesses.

I'm running an only 6 months old local business creating websites for other businesses in my area, and it's running smoothly, considering there are new businesses opening almost every day, plus already established businesses that are willing to pay good money to create an online presence or to rebuild their existing website.

Depending on the quality of your service and the client, website design and creation can sell anywhere from $500 to $10k.

As said above, as long as you can provide a good service, it's only a matter of selling it.

A few good points from Zak above - also, try to send you affiliate links hostgator and go-daddy (if they dont have hosting & domain) - you can earn $100+ per customer

switch_2012 said:

A few good points from Zak above - also, try to send you affiliate links hostgator and go-daddy (if they dont have hosting & domain) - you can earn $100+ per customer

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Or get reseller hosting and sell your own hosting service.
That's what I did, got a reseller on HG for $25/month, branded the backend with my logo and divided it in 50 customer accounts
More money to be made long term, and having your own branded solution looks more professional.

I've been freelancing for several months. I work with about 10 clients a month and earn around $5,000 from that.

1) Learn how to do web design (html/css/javascript/php/mysql), graphic design (logos, graphics, photoshop etc.) and the popular CMS. This is so you know your shit and know what to do.

2) Build a list of other RELIABLE web designers/graphic designers and tell them that you build websites/graphics for clients. At first, they'll want to charge high rates (ie. ripoff rates). Explain to them that you'll be getting all the clients and they will just have to do the work. Most freelancers know that the hard part is getting clients and most web designers/graphic designers hate finding clients.

3) start finding clients. Develop your website/portfolio (use fake sites if necessary) and marketing pitch. The trick here is to find clients with shitty websites and offer to revamp the site. Talk about how you can make their website look professional and get them up and running on social media sites. Finish it off by explaining HOW this revamp will INCREASE their SALES. This is where you want to be focusing most of your time: sales. When you're pitch is perfect, focus all the time and effort on blasting it out to website owners with shitty websites. You'll get sales.

4) Once you get a customer, farm out the work to your team of freelance web designers/graphic designers. Collect the money from the client and pay your team. If you get any flakes on your team then boot them and replace them ASAP.

Rinse and repeat steps 3 and 4 as necessary. They key aspect here is you want to be generating sales and outsourcing the work to other people. You don't want to be sitting there for 2 hours designing a stupid logo for 50$. You want to be selling the logo server for 50$+, outsource it to someone else and take 50% of the revenue.

eddie1278 said:

If I can't pull in at least one design a week at $500 it's not worth it to me.

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How about $7500 in 3 days? -->Killed it with This. $7500 in 3 Days. The exact method, A to Z -- so simple to duplicate

eddie1278 said:

So what kind of money are some of you pulling in designing websites?

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I've designed about 4 websites for some BHW members. Not much, but it's a starting point for me to go higher.

We are doing web development as well as web designing and all is set!
As per my understanding, it's not a niche but a profession! Which can't get saturated "for you" as long as you are creative in real sense!!!

Personally I have designed quite a few sites this year, usually having 3 or 4 going all at the same time.

All sites I built are for a minimum of 2 thousand, just because of the pain in the ass factor that comes with them.

I also host the websites for clients, for reocurring revenue monthly. This is usually between $22 and $44 a month per site. Some customers have 3+ sites as well so doing one site ends up being more, then you host more and the ball just keeps rolling.

The great thing is they always needs edits / updates so you can help them with that as well.

A word of advice to anyone looking to do this sort of thing, is to OUTSOURCE THE WEB DESIGN. I cannot stress that enough. Dont stuff around doing boring crappy jobs, get others to do it, factor it into your price and just get more clients.

I dont bother getting more clients ever, I just wait for people to ask me (Web design is not my main source of income at all). People see the work, and are really happy with it and tell their friends. Don't ever do a shitty job, it won't get you more work. Take pride, crack the whip on your contractors and you can make some good money.

Right now I have about 6k worth of work going that will be done in max 4 weeks. Probably costing me $1500 to get made ALL UP and i get to host 3 sites. Not bad if you can keep them rolling.

IM doing web developing for local businesses and some franchise for about 3 years now and so far making more than 3k a month by providing them the development - hosting and after sales. I'd say it takes a while but once you have a client list the money are good.

All you need is given above, but let me add this. You will need to use psychology to close those sales. Nothing works without knowing how to psychologically navigate the prospects mind and trigger emotions to buy. Don't come off as a salesman, but rather a authority figure trying to help, but hook in gently that you do these services for people. Once you find out how to hook your target prospects, figure out how to keep em paying monthly. You will earn great deals of money long term, rather than servicing new people daily. Try to keep it exclusive as well, make them feel that you are devoted to working mainly for them, but still take on new clients. Everything is about psychological mind control, smoke and mirrors. It's how everyone who got rich and keeps rich plays it, play the game correctly or make peanuts yearly.

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There's a lot of money in design even without clients. If you need clients go to "crowdspring" or "99designs". If you need to make a name go to "dribbble" ( also a great place for inspiration ). If you just want to design and sell that design go to "graphicsriver" or "themeforest". Sorry I can't put links yet but if you google those words that I put in quotes you'll find that those are websites that top web / graphic designers go to. You can also get an idea on how much you can make as a designer there. The most important thing is to be really good at design, practice and patience. Good luck with your journey as a designer, it's really fun!