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where do the traffic come from? google trends a myth?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by txholdem, Dec 17, 2010.

  1. txholdem

    txholdem Elite Member

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    on a site that i have no access to google analytics (GA)?

    I got lucky using a hot keyword and get 600 visitors a day to a page where I cannot install GA. I tried another keyword thats twice as hot, but got 3 visitors a day! The question is how I can reproduce the results of the high traffic?

    I looked in google keyword tools (GKT) and find related keywords and try to find the google ranking of the visited page. I got nothing other than a few that rank close to 200, which cannot explain the traffic source.

    I have read a few posts on BHW talking about how to cash in on google trends (GT). However i failed to make it work for me and i cannot understand how it could have worked for them.

    Google trends are so short lived that by the time one sees the keywords and posts an article, it's already "over the hill." the article/page has to be indexed by Google first. getting indexed is like shooting darts in the dark. My experience is that even on a PR7 site, it can take up to 1 day! (the fastest indexing in my experience is 15 minutes or so.) the trend keyword turns into trash after a few hours! Maybe I am missing some key points of those GT posts? Anybody that has had success with GT can give a pointer?

    The 2 questions are kind of related. thats why i put them in the same thread. So my questions are:
    1, what am i missing in using GT?
    2, how do i find traffic source without GA?

    anybody can help?
     
  2. dummydecoy

    dummydecoy Junior Member

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    i played with gtrend (autoblog) while ago until Google sandboxed me :(
    i think the key is to look for relatively low competition keyword :
    - choose long keyword over 'short' ones
    - choose 'new' keyword , if you look closely at gtrends feed source

    also take a look at related searches of choosen keyword at gtrend details page.

    playing gtrends is promising. my autoblog has almost 50000 BL , because if you're on top .. thousands of websites will link to you.. and thats what i call an automatic backlink :)
     
  3. txholdem

    txholdem Elite Member

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    many of the GT keywords seem to be (not that well known) names and hence low competition. I tried the jewish holiday a couple weeks ago. the holiday was certainly not high competition. the problem was the article did not get indexed until 24 hours later. Was that (getting indexed quickly) never your problem?
     
  4. dummydecoy

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    check your Google Webmaster crawl rate
    FYI, my rate is 370 crawl/day (average)

    to get indexed faster, you need to add more contents daily to your site
     
  5. txholdem

    txholdem Elite Member

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    this brings up another question of mine:
    I suppose you have all your websites in your google account? now if they sandbox one of your sites, you don't sandbox all your sites or even suspend your google webmaster account?

    and they does not affect your adsense account?
     
  6. dummydecoy

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    hehehe, i just re-add it again after my site get sandboxed
    well.. the stats is still there
    i also takeoff my adsense after that just for safety.. no warnings so far :)
     
  7. Yukinari84

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    Any sort of trend marketing is all about timing. The one's that get in early make the most.

    If you want to target trends, you need to make sure you are constantly paying attention to what's going on so that you can identify something early on and get in early.
     
  8. txholdem

    txholdem Elite Member

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    I did try that. I thought early morning is a good time to get on the "train" before it takes off.

    My problem eventually all comes down to getting indexed by Google too late.. i think.
     
  9. txholdem

    txholdem Elite Member

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    Were you able to get traffic for ALL your GT posts? if not, whats the success rate?
     
  10. Yukinari84

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    Well, the different time zones plays a part, but more importantly pay attention to the actual pages and graphs for each keyword that GT identifies as a hot search.

    Generally speaking, anything that is labeled "Spicy" or higher and has peaked less than 6 hours ago will typically get you some good traffic.

    As far as rankings go, if you are not getting ranked you are probably making one of (or combination of) the following mistakes:

    1. Not checking your KW competition thoroughly.
    2. Not using the proper sites - An article most likely won't get ranked quick enough. Video is good, but the best is always a paid Press Release.
    3. You are not doing enough - Trends marketing should be churn and burn. Fuck worrying about Google and all their rules. Hit it faster and harder than anyone and you will reap the benefits.
     
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    Google Trends is a numbers game.

    I use to do the top 5 trends once a day (early during day), and I hit a jackpot keyword that even now (3 months later) brings 200-600 visits daily.

    So it's all about authority of your site (how fast google indexes posts on your site), the keyword for the trends and its competition, the timing on when you add the content with the related keywords, etc.

    Don't forget Google Trends isn't the only place to find upcoming keywords with lots of searches and low competition.

    There's also:

    Yahoo Buzz
    Code:
    http://buzzlog.buzz.yahoo.com/overall/
    Ebay Pulse
    Code:
    http://pulse.ebay.com/
    AOL Hot Searches
    Code:
    http://hot.aol.com/
    OMG Yahoo
    Code:
    http://omg.yahoo.com/hot-topics
    Zocial Trending Videos
    Code:
    http://zocial.tv/
     
  12. txholdem

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    Very helpful comments! can you elaborate a little about how to "hit it harder?"
     
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    txholdem Elite Member

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    ALL of your posts worked? all of them got indexed very quickly?
    As for authority site, I have posted on PR6-7 site and 5/5 got indexed 20+ hours later. So I guess it just does not work well for article sites?
     
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    Using software to generate lots of content, lots of backlinks, etc...


    Like I said, articles aren't the best for trends because they don't get indexed quick enough most of the time. Press releases are great because you can get indexed almost instantly most of the time.

    Video is also really good.
     
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    so i guess my disadvantage is that i tried to do it manually. What are the cheapest software that can do the tricks? it involves a lot of spamming? i once paid for a small xumer service - only like 20 comments and i already got somebody writing an article specifically just to accuse me of spamming! it kinda made me feel bad.
     
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    Blasting out a bunch of content is not spamming as long as you are not putting complete shit out there.

    That's the type of stuff you hear at the Warrior Forum which is why so many of their members make absolutely nothing.

    If using software for mass creation makes you feel bad, then you might want to avoid BH marketing together because that's not even a very BH strategy.

    Judging from your comments, I would recommend you try something like Press Releases if you want to go after trends.
     
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    You lost me somewhere. so you are talking about creating a lot of blogs linking back to the "news"?

    you mean feeling bad about being accused of spamming?

    I was talking about blog commenting - which is what xumer does? by "spamming" i meant commenting. So you are saying commenting is not necessary?

    As for press release, i have done quite a few for my own site and see limited traffic. All those releases actually even appeared on Google News. The google news effects surprisingly disappointed me. Out of the 10 google news, i got averagely about 15 visits to my site!

    I was also told that I cannot release news about other companies - that makes it become an "article", not a news release.

    So what you are saying is that i write an article, spin the article into many variations and link them back to my main article? What's the cheapest tool to use for that?
     
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    How could you only get 15 visits from getting into Google News? That should tell you that you need to recheck your strategy and execution. I have never heard of anyone getting that little traffic from Google News. The lowest amount of traffic I have seen is in the few thousands, and this was on a topic that wasn't even very popular up at the time.

    Is sounds like you are targeting the wrong topics and/or KWs, or you are using a press release service that's no good. What service do you use?

    That's weird that you were told you can't write about companies because the whole purpose of a Press Release is to get news out.
     
  19. Leila

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    It depends a lot on how the press release was written. A lot of people make the mistake of making their PRs too much like a generic ad or a review of a particular company and there are quite a few PR services that will turn down PRs like that.

    If you've had a lot of PRs turned down what I'd do is focus on something that the company is offering that is different and hype it up as if it were something recently launched. If you can't do that then scan Google News and look for something that is of interest at that particular moment and tie it in with the company you are trying to promote.
     
  20. KeyzDT

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    OP,

    If you want to use GT you need to start with a large keyword list. one or two keywords will get you nowhere fast. You want to be bringing in at least a few thousand in trendsetter keywords. Like bobbylove said. Its essentially a numbers game. like you said you got "lucky" so how are you going to reproduce luck? you cant. Instead start keylist building using GT and youll see your chances of scoring a good keyword out of 2 or 3 thousand keywords is a LOT better than out of 2 or 3 keywords.

    second, You need to keep adding content to your site. Dont think just making a page with some keywords and doing nothing else will get you a lot of consistant traffic.

    Thirdy, if you want to speed up the process its time to enter social marketing. You will literally get instant traffic from sites like facebook, twitter, and youtube. This traffic in turn will index your site a whole lot quicker in increase your chances of catching the wave of a hot keyword in search engines.

    I'm guessing one of the threads you saw about GT was mine where I outline a method to use it. Bottom line above anything else: YOU WANT A BIG KEYWORD LIST.