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Using a Citation as Tier 1 And Blasting With High PR Blog Posts?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by bigballin6161, Apr 13, 2014.

  1. bigballin6161

    bigballin6161 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Would this work if you were to blast your tier 1 which are citations with high PR blog posts? This is for offline business. How safe you think this is for money site? Would the juice pass through since the citations are linked to money site?
     
  2. BassTrackerBoats

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    No doubt that idea is worthy of some R&D.

    I'll have someone on my staff play with it on a test site and see what the results are. Good idea, OP.
     
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    Let me know what you find out please!
     
  4. bobrittany

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    Did you ever find out if this works out well? I'm thinking of hitting a few of my high quality citations with some PR posts to send extra juice.
     
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    A lot of citations are no follow. I'm not saying that no follows are worthless, but I don't think I'd see much of a difference. The do follow citations are the ones I'd focus on. I'm doing something similar, but with GSA SER tier structure and it seems to be working for me
     
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    While we're on the topic of ideas... Anyone try blasting a rel-canonical with high PR blog posts/links and see if it makes a difference?
     
  7. ThopHayt

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    All it would do is raise the G rank of the citations and get them a few more views and thus pump some traffic to your business. Keep in mind OP said offline business.

    Money better spend on MORE citations IMHO. But if you were to link blast them I'd go for social links, not pure spam.
     
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    Well I wouldn't know anything about this....haha.

    So this is what my team and I have been doing for a long time. We build citations like you normally would, certainly with some preference to higher authority ones (can take a beating), and of course do follow so that they may send along the value. Without going too deep, here is what we found: 1) the citations themselves were ranking for client keywords - not just brand terms. Their rank increased dramatically. I knew this would happen as the idea spawned from ORM campaigns I was involved in. 2) organic website rankings, more times than not, saw much better rankings. No, no perfect test was done, but enough examples showed results we had never seen before that we were convinced. Then we hooked up with Spamfinity, and without a shadow of doubt, our client site rankings saw much bigger leaps. Undeniable. 3) Local rankings are a bit harder to speak to because you often are waiting 3 months before you see anything on the local end. By that time so many variables have been introduced that it makes it very hard to say for sure. I can say that we track every client we work with for 3+ months after their order, and the amount of pack rankings I see in MicrositeMasters is pretty telling. Again, so many variables. By 3 months, the client may have built more organically, and we know the local algo takes organics into account and well you know what I am saying.

    The big problem w/ citations as a tier 1 IMO is the high OBL and internal linking. Whatever you build goes a million directions and by the time it reaches you it is pretty diluted. So if you want it to work for you, you got to bring your best, and hit it really hard. Fortunately for us, Spamfinity is insane. 30 days ago we hooked up w/ a fellow (Grindstone) and now he's feeding us his GSA lists, which has made things even more ridiculous. Grind is the best in the biz. Funny thing about grind, the first review copy I ever did for loganix went to him. Him of course because he is a big influencer on my native forum. The guy has been in IM forever, and is one of the better SEOs I think I have ever met. So his opinion was so important to me. He told me, to my surprise, that he has been doing this forever. That he loves it, and it works like crazy. Talk about affirmation!!

    Finally, it should be noted that we blast w/ spam and social stuff, lots of both.

    If anyone has any questions at all, PM me, leave a note on my thread (see sig) or mail me directly at adam@loganix.net. Love talking about this stuff. I have lived and breathed it for nearly 4 years now.
     
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    I don't really think citations on their own would boost your rankings, but lets us see the results from the above mentioned tests.
     
  10. BlueSteele

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    Why don't we try it? Give me a site of yours, I'll do JUST the citations (as that is what you want to test I believe), and I will do it at no cost. Will be fun little test : )

    Fire me a PM, I will send you to our inputs form and we can go from there.

    Looking fwd!
     
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    Hey OP, while we're at it, want a free review copy? Will do the whole thing for you, and share the results if you're down. PM me.
     
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    This is actually a method already. Many business that don't have a website build links to citations and press releases. Another way is placing reviews up on wordpress 2.0 platforms and leaving a link to the citation.

    As for using it as a Tier 1 to pass link juice. Um, have you seen a directory? There are a lot of outbound links just on the one page, so I refer to what BlueSteel said:

    In Australia there is a company that works on building reviews and ranking your citations. Their sales pitch is "we bring you reviews and that ranks your business listing" but when I looked into their work, they're just smashing the citations with GSA.

    Look, it's up to you! SEO is testing and nobody can really say a definite 100% guaranteed answer. Test it yourself and report back here in this thread.
     
  13. neverquitting

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    So are citations only a local thing? In other words, do you have to have a physical/local business for this to be a relevant strategy? How is this demonstrably different from any other tiered linkbuilding?
     
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    Do you do citations for Germany as well?
     
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    "Citations are defined as mentions of your business name and address on other webpages—even if there is no link to your website. An example of a citation might be an online yellow pages directory where your business is listed, but not linked to. Citations can also be found on local chamber of commerce pages, or on a local business association page that includes your business information, even if they are not linking at all to your website." - MOZ

    N.A.P is a key part to building citations.

    N.A.P = Name, Address, Phone Number.

    So to answer your question, yes. If a citation equals a mention of your name and address, then you need a name and address.
     
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    Interesting to hear about that AU company. It def is nothing new, and it isn't exactly brain science. Exactly, and so often forgotten. SEO is all about testing, and is precisely how I stumbled across this. Test all the things : )

    Yup, neverquitting, you need an address. Where clients don't have a real address, we grab a fake one and use it. So there is always that if you don't want to pay for an address/phone. Not exactly legit, but it does work ;P

    Indeed, it is a tiered strategy just like 2.0s. However I could never be as aggressive in my link building (directly to the 2.0), and push as much weight as I can w/ these directory, photo, video, and social citations. There are pros and cons of course, but if you're building the directories, etc anyways, why the heck not?! Only upside. And if you're not, you get legit links, a more diverse link profile, and of course the ranking benefits.
     
  17. ThopHayt

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    This reminds me of the conversations back when wiki links first got popular... eerily so.
     
  18. bobrittany

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    I would take part in a case study for it bluesteele. I have picked out 7 high PR, ********, indexed citations that I would like to blast. I will be tracking the ranking of these 7 citations before and after, as well as the money site of course.
     
  19. westernweather

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    Keen on trying this out myself to see what happens? Curious though whether it is only relevant to local SEO?