Universal Basic Income?

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Scorpion Ghost said:
If they convince me they wont take from me to give to you, they can do whatever the hell they want.

But it doesnt work that way, does it.

So fuck off, no!
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how are they going to take from you?

I Like the idea of a UBI , more money to pay stuff, more money to invest, more money to pay for health and other bills... people that do nothing already will keep on doing nothing, but at least they will give back to the economy buying useless stuff.. people that already have dreams and put on hard work will have more incentive to believe that is possible to make it, with additional money to invest and less stress.
 
IMMFROMPORTUGAL said:
how are they going to take from you?

I Like the idea of a UBI , more money to pay stuff, more money to invest, more money to pay for health and other bills... people that do nothing already will keep on doing nothing, but at least they will give back to the economy buying useless stuff.. people that already have dreams and put on hard work will have more incentive to believe that is possible to make it, with additional money to invest and less stress.
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The only money that the government has is the money it steals from me through taxation, under threat of imprisonment and death.

Therefore if the government gives money to somebody, its my money they theyre giving away.

How dare you give MY money to some stranger? You bastards!

If the government has enough money to just give to people, i wanna see where theyre getting that money from. If it comes from smart investing and running businesses or whatever, they can do whatever they want with it.

But if its my tax money, then they can kiss my black ass! Reduce taxes. Dont steal from me to give to whoever.
 
Scorpion Ghost said:
The only money that the government has is the money it steals from me through taxation, under threat of imprisonment and death.

Therefore if the government gives money to somebody, its my money they theyre giving away.

How dare you give MY money to some stranger? You bastards!

If the government has enough money to just give to people, i wanna see where theyre getting that money from. If it comes from smart investing and running businesses or whatever, they can do whatever they want with it.

But if its my tax money, then they can kiss my black ass! Reduce taxes. Dont steal from me to give to whoever.
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Ah so you don't know much about UBI...when Andrew Yang was running for president he explained how he would get the money. UBI is a very positive and acclaimed measure in Alaska per example, people love it.
 
"The key objective of UBI is to guarantee all citizens a minimum monthly income irrespective of their employment status, thus providing everyone with enough to meet a basic cost of living."

Granted there are real people out there who are struggling to get jobs/make enough each month to make ends meet.
While there are also lazy people out there who leech out other's each month.

That itself is something the government needs to figure out how to get around.

Why give out $ monthly, if we are taking about basic cost of living, why won't the government step up their game instead?
Make a system where its filtered through your Tax ID or citizenship #, where your necessity bills are reduced/removed/etc by x% based on if you have a job or not.

As sad as this goes, poverty will always be around since not everyone knows how to spend their $ properly.
 
xReminisce said:
"The key objective of UBI is to guarantee all citizens a minimum monthly income irrespective of their employment status, thus providing everyone with enough to meet a basic cost of living."

Granted there are real people out there who are struggling to get jobs/make enough each month to make ends meet.
While there are also lazy people out there who leech out other's each month.

That itself is something the government needs to figure out how to get around.

Why give out $ monthly, if we are taking about basic cost of living, why won't the government step up their game instead?
Make a system where its filtered through your Tax ID or citizenship #, where your necessity bills are reduced/removed/etc by x% based on if you have a job or not.

As sad as this goes, poverty will always be around since not everyone knows how to spend their $ properly.
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https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-basic-income-public-realm-poverty-inequality
 
IMMFROMPORTUGAL said:
Ah so you don't know much about UBI...when Andrew Yang was running for president he explained how he would get the money. UBI is a very positive and acclaimed measure in Alaska per example, people love it.
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I dont.

But im fairly certain that at the end of the day my hard working black ass ends up paying for you to take a fucking weekend off.

I havent taken a weekend off in 8 years. And you know what happened? I have a bit of money in my pocket.

Heres a true story for you...

Its about 6 in the morning here now. I jumped out to buy some food, only to be informed by a taxi driver that its a holiday today, so nothing works. Its easter or christmas or who the hell knows what.

But i was starting orders 10 minutes ago. Theres no holiday for me. What i get to do is starve so you guys can enjoy your stupid fucking holiday. And you want free money? On my back? No fucking way dude. Not in a million years.
 
VSYNC said:
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-basic-income-public-realm-poverty-inequality
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If government paid you to exist without needing any fancy stuff.
I'm sure there going be quite a % of people who will be happy to just exist without working at all.
Which does not help/contribute the economy at all.

I'm all in to help the poor and people in need.

I do agree with having "cash" that can't be used to buy drugs, alcohol and other crap that isn't part of "basic living" but once again. They can be easily manipulated if needed.
 
creative freelancer bd said:
Nice to have a crypto based basic income
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Why do people keep saying that?
No matter what form of payment the government still need money to buy it.

In the U.K. we have the dole. Now know as universal credit. It’s where the government give the people who need help money so no one is struggling ( in theory )
Sadly the same with all things it gets abused terribly by some.
There are multiple generations of some families which have never worked or looked for work. They just play the system.
Then there are people who do work and work hard and are worse off that other claiming universal credit.
Sadly there is not a one size fits all solution to this.
 
I doubt removing the need for everyone to have to work in order to survive would equal utopia. Nor would it impact inequality.

A crypto-based (CBDC based because they ain't dishing out BTC are they) UBI system just means a system where:

a) you have all control over your ability to survive placed in their hands.

b) they are able to mint new (insert CBDC) more freely than even the Fed can mint USD now.

c) every time you spend or transfer your allowance from the overlords, they will be able to track it in real time, and with the use of AI can develop a deep understanding of every facet of your personality, mental state, and intentions just by what you're buying.

All crypto isn't created equally, and life is more complex than UBI can account for imo, although the goals of creating UBI are laudable.
 
It's rather amazing to see so many backward thinking people on an IM forum. You would expect such a conversation in a local tavern, but tech people should really have some more insight.

UBI is inevitable, because AI is inevitable. Why do you think google, facebook, amazon, apple and all big tech companies are investing billions and billions every year in the tech? You don't have to believe my words, but for sure these companies have a sufficient amount of brain power to recognize where the future is going.

In next decades the concept of working for a living will slowly but surely recede.

AI is not only growing, but growing at an exponential pace. Most of the things that anyone here can do will be worth next to nothing if compared to an AI.


If you don't like Rogan, you can look for other videos from Dr. Ben Goertzel. A true genius who is trying to decentralize the coming AI tech. Could be one of the few ways to move forward where normal people can look forward to a good future.
 
TheWicker said:
It's rather amazing to see so many backward thinking people on an IM forum. You would expect such a conversation in a local tavern, but tech people should really have some more insight.

UBI is inevitable, because AI is inevitable. Why do you think google, facebook, amazon, apple and all big tech companies are investing billions and billions every year in the tech? You don't have to believe my words, but for sure these companies have a sufficient amount of brain power to recognize where the future is going.

In next decades the concept of working for a living will slowly but surely recede.

AI is not only growing, but growing at an exponential pace. Most of the things that anyone here can do will be worth next to nothing if compared to an AI.


If you don't like Rogan, you can look for other videos from Dr. Ben Goertzel. A true genius who is trying to decentralize the coming AI tech. Could be one of the few ways to move forward where normal people can look forward to a good future.
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As I am a backward thinking person can you please explain the economics to me please.
 
TheWicker said:
It's rather amazing to see so many backward thinking people on an IM forum. You would expect such a conversation in a local tavern, but tech people should really have some more insight.

UBI is inevitable, because AI is inevitable. Why do you think google, facebook, amazon, apple and all big tech companies are investing billions and billions every year in the tech? You don't have to believe my words, but for sure these companies have a sufficient amount of brain power to recognize where the future is going.

In next decades the concept of working for a living will slowly but surely recede.

AI is not only growing, but growing at an exponential pace. Most of the things that anyone here can do will be worth next to nothing if compared to an AI.


If you don't like Rogan, you can look for other videos from Dr. Ben Goertzel. A true genius who is trying to decentralize the coming AI tech. Could be one of the few ways to move forward where normal people can look forward to a good future.
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andyframpton said:
As I am a backward thinking person can you please explain the economics to me please.
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I'll second that @TheWicker, I'm also evidently a backwards person that believes UBI is flawed. A backwards person that has studied AI academically.

Tech giants aren't investing billions into AI in relation to UBI at all, in any way, shape or form. The reformation of employment because of AI will be a byproduct of that, and UBI 150% is not the only solution to that reformation. It's just the most basic one that people can wrap their heads around.

UBI could work out well, but not in a naked state and not without a pretty decent amount of risk that it's actually net negative for societies that it's implemented. If UBI did work, it would be great and would solve the problems being created by AI though for sure.
 
There's literally so many jobs that are immune to AI and Automation, the concept of not working will never go away.

Just a small sample:
Strippers
Porn Stars
Prostitutes
Webcam Models
Politicians
Politician Support Staff
K-12th grade teachers
Professors
Porn Stars
Wedding Singers
Wedding Bands
Wedding Planners
Lawyers
Chefs
Baristas
Waitresses/Waiters
Coaches of Football, Basketball, Baseball, American Football, Hockey
Support Staff for Coaches
Athletes
Personal Trainers
Maids
Jockeys
 
ExperimentalSEO said:
There's literally so many jobs that are immune to AI and Automation, the concept of not working will never go away.

Just a small sample:
Strippers
Porn Stars
Prostitutes
Webcam Models
Politicians
Politician Support Staff
K-12th grade teachers
Professors
Porn Stars
Wedding Singers
Wedding Bands
Wedding Planners
Lawyers
Chefs
Baristas
Waitresses/Waiters
Coaches of Football, Basketball, Baseball, American Football, Hockey
Support Staff for Coaches
Athletes
Personal Trainers
Maids
Jockeys
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I think you missed porn stars off that list.
 
AlexanderTheGreat said:
Recently I read a lot in the newspaper about UBI (Universal Basic Income).
There have already been some countries that have implemented and started pilot projects, such as Finland, Germany, Canada, etc.

Some Opinions:
https://internationalbanker.com/finance/has-the-time-for-universal-basic-income-finally-arrived/
There are even Crypto UBI programs:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BasicIncome/comments/n2ik3y

German programs:
https://www.mein-grundeinkommen.de
What is your opinion on this? Do you think that automation will take away most jobs?

Sure, Black Hat SEO will be around for a long time - but what about all the other people?
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There is a game called Detroit on playstation 4. You play as a robot who slowly becomes a human. I believe big corporations will replace unskilled laborers with these machines/androids. They claim it will make peoples lives easier but I beg to differ. It's interesting to see how this all plays out, but I think the people will push back against this agenda.
 
Lets be clear, if governments can prove its a good idea, and it wont cost you more in tax, then anyone on this forum would say yes!

Consider it another money making method :D
andyframpton said:
I think you missed porn stars off that list.
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Its the second one...o_O
 
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