Ultimate Demon vs Senuke XCr?

You do realize that do-follow and no-follow are basically only good for link-juice and passing on PR, right? It really has no bearing on traffic or link counts? So do you really take the basis of how powerful or effective a tool is based on whether it links out to no-follow or do-follow sites?

Okay.. so we build links not for the link-juice and PR, but for pretty link counts on site explorers. Correct me if I'm wrong. Oh, also we build links to get direct traffic also from what you've said above because visitors just love reading unreadable spun content made purely for link building purposes. Great post!

What complete bullshit. Do follow > nofollow anytime, anywhere.
 
I think its hard to say if xCR is really good since its only been out for about a month and that is not long enough to see if the results stick.

I would stay after 3 months someone needs to provide a case study and then determine the no. of links that are still live compared to UD.

i feel UD is the way to go if you are on a tight budget.
 
Okay.. so we build links not for the link-juice and PR, but for pretty link counts on site explorers. Correct me if I'm wrong. Oh, also we build links to get direct traffic also from what you've said above because visitors just love reading unreadable spun content made purely for link building purposes. Great post!

What complete bullshit. Do follow > nofollow anytime, anywhere.

I think you're missing my gist. I AGREE that do follow is better than no follow. I think denouncing (wrongly in fact here) a software that only creates links of no follow platforms is a waste of time. UD creates both do follow and no follow. At the end of the day, google metrics takes into account link neighborhoods which count for much of what gets passed as authority..and yes, the juice flowing PR-wise from one site to another is a good thing, but it's not the ONLY factor when it comes to where we rank. That's my point. Backlink profiles, naturalized, will show a spread of both no follow and do follow.
 
Ultimate Demon with scrapebox Do 90% from what i need for backlinks ......
 
The thing about UD is that you can scrape sites and add them according to your niche. The sites that come with the program are just for starters. Scraping sites and adding them and building your site list is a great feature in UD.

Is this feature not in Senuke XCr? This is the main reason I was looking at getting UD, so I can keep it as clean as possible
 
Is this feature not in Senuke XCr? This is the main reason I was looking at getting UD, so I can keep it as clean as possible
You can add your own sites with senuke Xcr now. You can even add your own platforms and teach it to post to more websites. I've always been a fan of senuke. Expensive but I finally decided to shell out the 2k for a lifetime license because that 150/mo was killing me. I still haven't played around with Xcr much I've been busy with other projects.
 
XCr is very good, don't think they're getting the amount of scripts uploaded that they were expecting though. As a few people have said, it depends on your budget. The fact you can post to your own wordpress blog networks now is really makes it for me
 
XCr is very good, don't think they're getting the amount of scripts uploaded that they were expecting though. As a few people have said, it depends on your budget. The fact you can post to your own wordpress blog networks now is really makes it for me

It has fewer than I expected.

Nuke is THE best high end tool if money is no object. Nuke alone was 10% better in terms of features than Ultimate Demon - it's now 20% (30% if you create your own scripts AND don't have Ubot or Zenno).
If you don't own Ubot or Zenno and are going to script basic sites (Like Magic Submitter, there are a lot of things the scripiting tool in Xcr can't do that Zenno and Ubot CAN do - so if you've got one of thise there is no point getting Xcr for the scripting tool alone)
Success rate, support, updates, stability - there is nothing between them. Since the 2010 "original Nuke" debacle with the first Nuke, Joe and Areeb have kept their eye on the ball constantly, provided solid updates and a good user experience.
Ultimate Demon though comes from the guys who made BMD, a 7 year old application that's STILL GOING - still working very well was a one off fee, and wast last updated (free of course) about 2 days ago.
No-one in IM, not the Scrapebox devs. not the Xrumer devs, no-one in IM gets close to that in terms of reliability, support and value for money.

But all that being said...SeNuke Xcr has a better feature set at the moment - no doubt about it. It's not massive - but it is measurable.

As for posting to mass wordpress blogs. UD does that to generic ones - Windows Live Writer (free) is about the best tool if you want to post to dozens of sites and make subtle changes. Just change the blog and press "Publish" I think there is even an addon that automates the little user input that is required. If you are running a blog and not using WLW or similar - you are making life 10x harder for yourself

Scritty
 
I use Senukexcr and UD to work with my campaigns and get better rankings. What I care more in these days is making high quality Web 2 buffer sites and Drip feed campaigns for few days. You don't need rely on same tools. You may use GSA SER, Scrapebox to make more backlinks to Buffer sites and make them more powerful.
 
As a former SENuke and SENuke X user I took the jump to Ultimate Demon.

The main reason for this was cost, UD is a one time fee of $350 and SENuke X costs $147/month or $1764/year!!!

I actually found setting up campaigns properly a really fiddly task with Nuke X and the Wizard is very limiting in what you can do so I never used it.

I have had a play with Nuke XCR as well - and while the new recording feature is great, it isnt $147 a month great.

Ultimate Demon does everything I need under one roof for my tier 1 links, campaign setup is quick and painless and its easy to get link reports etc
 
I use XCR. Have never used ultimate demon so cant comment.

I am more than happy with SE Nuke but i use it in conjunction with a wide range of tools, its hard to say which ones bring me the best ROI. I think SE Nuke is one of my more profitable tools, you just need to spend the time to figure out how to get the most out of it.
 
Wow, This was a really helpful thread! I was undecided between UD or senukexcr but I think since I'm just starting UD is a good place to start. Can you use UD to link directly to site or only 1st or 2nd tier?
 
Wow, This was a really helpful thread! I was undecided between UD or senukexcr but I think since I'm just starting UD is a good place to start. Can you use UD to link directly to site or only 1st or 2nd tier?

You can use it for any tiers. I use unique content for Tier 1 and select best Web 2.0 sites in UD. Own list is the best option for you. After posting on tier 1, I run a campaign to social bookmark them.
 
You can use it for any tiers. I use unique content for Tier 1 and select best Web 2.0 sites in UD. Own list is the best option for you. After posting on tier 1, I run a campaign to social bookmark them.
Thanks for your advice! When you say "unique content" do you mean something that isn't spun? Any advice for finding my own list? Sorry if I'm a little off topic..
 
Thanks for your advice! When you say "unique content" do you mean something that isn't spun? Any advice for finding my own list? Sorry if I'm a little off topic..

There is no right or wrong in spinning or not spinning, number of tiers, amount of nodes, types of link

To advise someone properly you would need to know their current website, it's traffic levels, existing links, content quality, competition, niche, purpose, age and many other factos.

THEN AND ONLY THAN

Can you make an informed decision on the type of linking campaign appropriate.

So many times I read strident aggressive remarks like "THIS WORKS" and "THIS DOESN'T" with no qualification of what sort of website, market, compeition or purpose the poster is on about.

I can tell you one thing as a cast iron, solid, nailed on FACT

Unqualified "generic" advice is a f&cking waste of time.
And anyone who tells you to "do it this way" without knowing your site, its purpose and its competition inside out is an arse hole.

Some sites can use spun content, some better not to. Some can take thousands of trash links, some need hundreds of good ones, others still are best with very few high quality ones.
Sometimes small changes to your sites layout or content can double or triple you income from it, others not so.*

Anyway, best win of the past few weeks was telling a guy to ditch adsense for a dedicated affiliate deal for the product his site was about. Month one his income from the site went from $50 to almost $1000 with just that change and a few tweaks to content. That's not even SEO FFS - that's just common sense and taking the time to understand what the website owner is trying to achieve.

99 times out of 100 here on BHW it's PROFIT that is the main aim. Not visitors, not position in Google (they all help of course) but plain CASH IN THE BANK.
Seen sites with thousands of indexed pages and hundreds of thousands of links make nothing.
Seen sites with 5 pages and 50 links make thousands per month.
If you already have a site - start there and work back - smoothing and optimizing your cash flow. You may find on the way that your sites own structure or content or SEO is stopping you that's when you take action
If you don't have a site - or it's so new and unestablished that you don't care about everything needing reindexing and starting from scratch - then reverse this.

Are you selling affiliate deals? Do you have your own products or services?
In the first you are looking for easy win markets and key words or phrases. You decide on the market based on what you can achieve based on keyword competition and your time/cash budget
In the other, most of your keyword choices are made for you (selling widgets? No point picking innapropriate keywords about dog training or gardening then is there)
In both you sort out your onsite content and optimization first. Get indexed, decide on a linking plan - and follow thorugh - at this point the right way to go will depend on what you are doing, your site and your aims. Generic advice here is normally a complete waste of time.

"Lolz Xrumer ROCKZ - I just made $1000 in a week blasting my site with 75,000 links you seriously need this dudes get it now"

If I see a thread like that - I move on. Idiot alert...noob alert at best.
Yes Xrumer does work, but what's his site? what market is he in? how is he monetizing? and importantly does he come back 3 months later and report on continued success? Or is that the last we hear of the buffoon.


Don't spend 6 months following some twats advice when they have no frikking idea what it is you are even trying to do - only to find out you've wasted hundreds of dollars and hundreds of hours making a site and SEO campaign that no-one and nothing is interested in.

SEO is like any other trade. Measure twice - cut once!

Scritty


*I've advised people on this forum for years now, I get more PM's a day than I can deal with. Only had one guy ever suggest I gave him a "bum steer" (a couple of years ago, a guy in the financial sector struggling halfway on page 1 for some uber competitive terms - I couldn't get him up that one extra place he needed to double his income. I still feel bad about that today)
 
How is it buggy? and how are the links better?
The links can be better because you can create scripts to just about any site. Nuke is more finicky and doesn't work for no good reason too much.
 
UD so slow and very different with brother BMD... UD create 32k Social Bookmark spent 3 days... BMD only spent 1 day... and senuke very fast IMO
 
We have SeNuke XCr and UD. My vote goes definitely for SeNuke XCr... No single problem since release (stops only for updates, normally running on in-house high spec server with VPS)
 
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