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t0mmy said:
I see a lot of people liking and quoting this. Where is the evidence of this though, apart from the media lead narrative of course. As all I see lately is adverse effects and deaths going up in “jabbed” people.. smh
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I know mate I appreciate your view I am fine with each person making their own decision. It's just me personally, I believe what I see on the surface; there was a pandemic, the medical industry has come up with vaccination to limit the effects, it won't be perfect of course, there are risks to it, the people who make it will definitely be driven by money somewhere along the line but that's how the world works. I don't think there is any crazy conspiracy, I think it's more the media that push that stuff out there because that's standard marketing - fear, shock and emotion are what sells news.

Also, you may say its a cop-out, but just from a purely practical point of view, it's going to cause me problems if I don't take the vaccine - hassle from friends and family, potentially not being able to travel, not being let into venues etc (potentially) and to me, weighing all of those things up my decision is just to take it.

Each to their own though, I don't have anything against people who choose not to take it because maybe that's right for some people but not for others.
 
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Another vax debate. F*ck!!

I'll take vax shots. But if you won't, i don't give a shit. End of story.
 
jonnyah said:
Over 3 millions PCR tests conducted in Australia, with all positives traced back to known exposure sites. They work. The inventor died in 2019, so he didn't say that.

There are many studies you can read online on the BMJ and many other medical and scientific websites on the effectiveness of PCR. Don't believe the shit you see on youtube or read on Facebook.

Lateral flow tests are less accurate, but only in the sense they are likely to provide a false negative. A positive is a positive.

You do know how open vaers works, don't you? It's used for reporting, and is not indicative of actual cause.

Who's they? And what are they estimating?

At the end of the day, it's your choice. But saying the vaccine is ineffective, when all the evidence is to the contrary is not a good look, in my opinion.

Fair enough read the rubbish posted online, but think about it critically.
https://digest.bps.org.uk/2021/02/23/belief-in-conspiracy-theories-is-associated-with-lower-levels-of-critical-thinking/
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They work? Then if they work so well why has the CDC now come out and stated they don’t in fact work and we need to find a test that can differentiate between covid and the common flu.

@HoNeYBiRD : oh yeah so it’s ok that all those old folks.. most of them forced into the jab by their nursing homes died.. yeah sure thing mate.

As I said you guys keep taking the vaccines and now they’re talking about yearly “booster” shots. I really fucking wish I’d invested in some of these vaccine companies a year or two ago that’s all I’ll say on that.

Let’s hope you’re all ok in a few years when the effects of these “experimental” vaccines comes to light. I’ll stick to a healthy diet, sunshine, vitamins and exercise.. it’s served me well thus far (crazy that our governments are not pushing that as much as they push these miracle vaccines.. smh) and as I stated earlier in the thread I’ve travelled all over the world since this nonsense began.

I’ll bow out of this thread now as some idiot above just insinuated I was a “conspiracy theorist”.. I tend to get off sides when that word is mentioned as there’s no talking or arguing valid points with anyone that uses that term, a term coined by the CIA to discredit people that brought a lot of their “secrets” to the world decades ago. A year ago people called us nuts when we said it would be vaccine passports before long.. a year on and look now where we are at, exactly where the “conspiracy theorists” predicted. Wasn’t it supposed to be a week or two to “flatten the curve”.. shit is comical at this stage.

Good luck to you all. Keep watching the news..
 
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t0mmy said:
They work? Then if they work so well why has the CDC now come out and stated they don’t in fact work and we need to find a test that can differentiate between covid and the common flu.

@HoNeYBiRD : oh yeah so it’s ok that all those old folks.. most of them forced into the jab by their nursing homes died.. yeah sure thing mate.

As I said you guys keep taking the vaccines and now they’re talking about “booster” shots.. wish I’d invested in some of these vaccine companies a year or two ago that’s all I’ll say on that. Let’s hope you’re all ok in a year or two when the effects of these “experimental” vaccines comes to light.

I’ll bow out of this thread now as some idiot above just insinuated I was a “conspiracy theorist”.. I tend to get off sides when that word is mentioned as there’s no talking or arguing valid points with anyone that uses that term, a term coined by the CIA to discredit people that brought a lot of their “secrets” to the world decades ago. A year ago people called us nuts when we said it would be vaccine passports before long.. a year on and look now where we are at, exactly where the “conspiracy theorists” predicted.

Good luck to you all. Keep watching the news..
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Covid passports were predictable.

Masks will be there till 2026. Pissed off me on the bus looking at people wearing them will be till 2026.
 
davids355 said:
I know mate I appreciate your view I am fine with each person making their own decision. It's just me personally, I believe what I see on the surface; there was a pandemic, the medical industry has come up with vaccination to limit the effects, it won't be perfect of course, there are risks to it, the people who make it will definitely be driven by money somewhere along the line but that's how the world works. I don't think there is any crazy conspiracy, I think it's more the media that push that stuff out there because that's standard marketing - fear, shock and emotion are what sells news.

Also, you may say its a cop-out, but just from a purely practical point of view, it's going to cause me problems if I don't take the vaccine - hassle from friends and family, potentially not being able to travel, not being let into venues etc (potentially) and to me, weighing all of those things up my decision is just to take it.

Each to their own though, I don't have anything against people who choose not to take it because maybe that's right for some people but not for others.
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Nothing will happen. It's like not having a girlfriend. It's not something someone will ask you about or hate you for that.

I don't take it cause I have no time for that. I didn't go to school too. It was just a trend. I have better things to do in life like taking care of my body to minimize risks of other diseases.
 
t0mmy said:
They work? Then if they work so well why has the CDC now come out and stated they don’t in fact work and we need to find a test that can differentiate between covid and the common flu.
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This is false, you misunderstood the CDC announcement.

The PCR test only tests for covid-19, there are newer tests which can do both covid-19 and influenza so coming into influenza season those are now the recommendations. It's an issue of resources I believe - why waste them. Old PCR test works very well though and is still used.
 
saw a friend s post on FB today took the vaxx, travelled to dubai, on the aireport a PCR test is mandatory there, so he did it, and the result was positive, for now it like a normal flu, but what supprised me, is the antibidy test, after he took 2 doses, he did not find any Anti Bodies in his blood, normally as ive read on the news after a second dose the anti bodies will start to grow, and smh you are safe,

for me this is very dangerous, that they did not tell people when those A.B. will be on your body, imagine an elder one tok the jab, and the next day, tested positive, i am sure the symptoms will be severe, and he will be in high risk

i mean the Media, the health officials doesnt clarify this enough,

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CPANathan said:
I know it wasn't deliberate but vaccine or not, covid still spreads through us at the same rate.

Contracting covid and dying from covid 100% you're right, just not the spreading part.

Had a dude come up to me the other day, he goes "Hey can I get a sup of your drink?". I say to him pour it into your mouth, don't be touching my bottle off everything. Man proceeds to give my bottle head and hand it back to me. Man then goes "it's ok I have the vaccine"

He nearly got a left hook.

Vaccine doesn't prevent or increase spread rates. It enhances your bodies ability to fight it off.
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I'd argue with this.

The virus spreads via air droplets mostly. If you accept, that the vaccines work, you know that they prevent symptoms with high efficacy. Now if they prevent symptoms like coughing or sneezing, it can only lead to one thing: reduced spread both in quantity and distance.
And since the efficacy of the better vaccines are above 90% (at least when it comes to the original strain), it means that less than 10 people out of 100 will develop symptoms.

So you tell me which group is more infectious:
(a) 100 unvaccinated infected, who cough/sneeze
or
(b) 100 vaccinated, where 90 people don't have symptoms, only 10 cough/sneeze

t0mmy said:
oh yeah so it’s ok that all those old folks.. most of them forced into the jab by their nursing homes died.. yeah sure thing mate.
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It was a mere observation after looking at the reports. That wasn't really my point. The point is that causality is not established in those cases, the data is not vetted, so that site isn't good, if you want to measure the mortality of the vaccines, which was the reason you linked the site, i believe.

I'm in a country with very similar vaccination rate to yours. I yet to hear about a single person, who had adverse effects, let alone died due to the vaccination. On the other hand i know of people, who died from the virus or got it very bad and barely survived, including my grandfather, who got a stroke due to the virus and after a long recovery still lost one of his eyesight.
I got it too, it's not the most pleasant experience, i can tell you that and i also consider myself healthy or at least i haven't been to a doctor in the past 20 years.
 
HoNeYBiRD said:
I'd argue with this.

The virus spreads via air droplets mostly. If you accept, that the vaccines work, you know that they prevent symptoms with high efficacy. Now if they prevent symptoms like coughing or sneezing, it can only lead to one thing: reduced spread both in quantity and distance.
And since the efficacy of the better vaccines are above 90% (at least when it comes to the original strain), it means that less than 10 people out of 100 will develop symptoms.

So you tell me which group is more infectious:
(a) 100 unvaccinated infected, who cough/sneeze
or
(b) 100 vaccinated, where 90 people don't have symptoms, only 10 cough/sneeze


It was a mere observation after looking at the reports. That wasn't really my point. The point is that causality is not established in those cases, the data is not vetted, so that site isn't good, if you want to measure the mortality of the vaccines, which was the reason you linked the site, i believe.

I'm in a country with very similar vaccination rate to yours. I yet to hear about a single person, who had adverse effects, let alone died due to the vaccination. On the other hand i know of people, who died from the virus or got it very bad and barely survived, including my grandfather, who got a stroke due to the virus and after a long recovery still lost one of his eyesight.
I got it too, it's not the most pleasant experience, i can tell you that and i also consider myself healthy or at least i haven't been to a doctor in the past 20 years.
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You're arguing that vaccine doesn't prevent virus from spreading? Why can't we be immune yet still carry?
 
HoNeYBiRD said:
Stats reporting is far from correct, that's for sure. But that works both ways too. It happened multiple times, that a country all of a sudden added many deaths all at once to the covid tally (for instance because they didn't count in the deaths in nurseries). Last time Russia, but i remember France or UK doing the same previously. What counts as a covid19 death can differ from country to country, that's why it doesn't really make sense in a lot of cases to compare countries to each other. There are guidelines by the WHO i believe. Some countries follow that, others don't.
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And that is the reason why people don't (and won't for a while) believe these stats, at least for now. Once some time will pass and covid won't be used for political reasons we might know the truth (that it wasn't that deadly after all).
 
CPANathan said:
You're arguing that vaccine doesn't prevent virus from spreading? Why can't we be immune yet still carry?
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Nope. I'm arguing with this statement of yours:
CPANathan said:
vaccine or not, covid still spreads through us at the same rate.
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You said: same rate. I said, the spread is reduced, if vaccinated.

Doesn't it sound logical to you, if the vaccines prevent symptoms including coughing/sneezing and the virus spreads via air droplets mainly, then the spread is reduced? While we speak, the released droplets are less and don't travel as far as when we cough or sneeze. I don't think, it needs much explaining.

This cannot be applied to your example (drinking from the same bottle), but that's not the primary source of spreading the virus.
 
Totally off topic in a lounge thread..... Guys, can we not avoid these covid threads and be happy? I mean, we all are facing lots of problems these days anyway, no matter whether you are a pro vaxxer or an anti vaxxer. The thing is, time will tell. None of us know the exact answer, otherwise it would all be fixed in a month or so. I see lots of good people becoming enemies (to each other) for nothing. Even if you have the correct answer, you can't change shit. The governments will do what they want to. Lol. :P
 
HoNeYBiRD said:
And since the efficacy of the better vaccines are above 90%
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The number 90% is arguable and it is being advertised for obvious reasons. Flu shots don't even have 50% efficiency, so they cannot claim that some new drug that wasn't properly tested (again, over time) has such efficiency.

HoNeYBiRD said:
So you tell me which group is more infectious:
(a) 100 unvaccinated infected, who cough/sneeze
or
(b) 100 vaccinated, where 90 people don't have symptoms, only 10 cough/sneeze
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But why there couldn't also be a (c) 100 unvaccinated people, who are healthy do not cough or sneeze and not getting covid? Somehow these people (like me) wiped out off the map when discussing covid vaccines, like there are only 2 types of people, those with vaccines and those with covid, which is not the case.
 
A new type of coronavirus, which is called Brazilian and causes sexual concern ;)
 
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