True Or False

amoon said:

are you in Spain right now, just browsing some stats about Spain, and I see they did huge numbers on vaccinations, nearly half of the population received at least one shot, is this true?

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I am in Spain yes, funny you say that as “numbers” are rising again we are being told, imagine that numbers rising but vaccinations have gone up.. smh

Just gonna leave this here, you can judge yourself if vaccines work or not, it is up to each person to decide.

well im vaccinated anyway since my mum wouldn't have it lol.

t0mmy said:

Anyone that wants my Vax can have it.. free “review” copy, as that’s what these vaccines are “review/test” products.

To each their own.. I’ll trust my immune system, a healthy diet, sunshine and exercise!

I’ve travelled the length and breath of this planet since this “deadly pandemic” (so deadly you need to be tested to show you have it lol by a now proven to be “not fit for purpose” test and which has been now pulled from use by the CDC!).. from Asia, all through Europe, the UAE and I live in Spain one of the supposedly worst hit spots. Let me tell you now, I’m yet to see any serious illness or deaths from this and perhaps I’m lucky some of you will say, don’t get me wrong I’ve heard lots of “but mike’s granny down the road died of it mate” or “I know someone that knows someone that got it real bad Tommy” many times, but again I’m yet to see anything that resembles a “deadly pandemic”!

Still awaiting the deadly zombie apocalypse we were all lead to believe this would be when it began. Now all I see is a huge huge push (to the point of bribing people and discriminating against others) to make people take these vaccines, vaccines that are STILL in clinical trials until the end of 2023 at the least.

The media has done a fine job on you, some of you I consider in this thread as smart lads, I’m surprised to be honest.

All the while our rights, freedoms and our fucking dignity are being stripped more and more every week.

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The media's real purpose is to make money period but people don't get it even some of the guys on this forum.Fear sells and I know this from practical experience.

can for Vaxed: 1%
can for Unvaxed: 99%

davids355 said:

Covid can fuck you up.
The vaccine makes covid less likely to fuck you up. End of story for me.

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The one disappointing thing that the pandemic has taught me is that there are far more stupid people out there than I thought.

I honestly believed that most people were compassionate, sensible, and possessed the skills to critically assess information and data.

I'm now more inclined to believe that as a species we are fucked.

True, Vaccination is only a preventive effect, the new coronavirus is always mutating...
Horrible, when will it end?!!!

proxygo said:

Vaxed people:
Can still get covid.
Can still spread covid.
Can still die from covid.
Can potentially die from the vaccine complications .

Unvaxed people:
Can still get covid.
Can still spread covid.
Can still die from covid.
Cannot die from the vaccine complications.

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Vaxed people:
Can still get covid, but symptoms are significantly reduced as the body was trained by the vaccine to fight the pathogen. Many more cases will be asymptomatic. Very few serious cases compared to unvaxxed.
Can still spread covid but at a significantly reduced rate vs unvaxxed. The infection will be weaker and not last as long so you'll shed less of the virus and not infect as many others.
Significantly less likely to die from covid, or have any kind of complications.
The vaccine is relatively safe, all you really need to compare it to is the virus as that's the other option. You can have the vaccine and virus, or virus. You can choose to have reduced symptoms and spread it less once you get it, or you can risk it's full effects.

For young healthy people the virus risks are low, you'd mostly get the vaccine to reduce spread for others. But your your age group they are higher so it's also to protect yourself especially with underlying health problems you have talked about.

For asymptomatic (97% of the world population):

Can still get covid - who cares.
Can still spread covid - sorry for the symptomatic.
Can still die from covid - no, we cannot.
Cannot die from the vaccine complications - no vaccine, no problem.

Symptomatic will still be in trouble, even if vaccinated. Sorry for them. Nothing we can do about it.

jonnyah said:

The one disappointing thing that the pandemic has taught me is that there are far more stupid people out there than I thought.

I honestly believed that most people were compassionate, sensible, and possessed the skills to critically assess information and data.

I'm now more inclined to believe that as a species we are fucked.

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It's insane to think that after the pandemic hit the USA, within a few months 1/2 the country became anti-vax. That is some seriously scary shit.

davids355 said:

Covid can fuck you up.
The vaccine makes covid less likely to fuck you up. End of story for me.

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I see a lot of people liking and quoting this. Where is the evidence of this though, apart from the media lead narrative of course. As all I see lately is adverse effects and deaths going up in “jabbed” people.. smh

t0mmy said:

I see a lot of people liking and quoting this. Where is the evidence of this though, apart from the media lead narrative of course. As all I see lately is adverse effects and deaths going up in “jabbed” people.. smh

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An Analysis of CDC data conducted by the associated press shows that just 150 of the more than 18,000 Covid-19 deaths in during May in the USA resulted from “breakthrough” infections in fully vaccinated people. So, 0.83% of deaths are for people that are double jabbed. Or another way to put it, 99.2% of deaths were unvaccinated.

It's a similar picture for hospitalizations. Out of 107,000 hospitalizations, roughly 1,200 were fully vaccinated, or 1.1%.

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187
As for Vaccine deaths, a study in Australia showed 1 casual link to death for someone that developed Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome (TTS). That's with 3,600,000 doses administered. Which is something like 0.00002 %. There has been no change to the daily average death rate despite vaccinations.

https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-27-05-2021
No doubt you still won't believe it. But the facts are there.

Yes it's true

HoNeYBiRD said:

Unvaccinated people get covid, spread covid and die from covid at a much bigger rate than vaccinated people.

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I know it wasn't deliberate but vaccine or not, covid still spreads through us at the same rate.

Contracting covid and dying from covid 100% you're right, just not the spreading part.

Had a dude come up to me the other day, he goes "Hey can I get a sup of your drink?". I say to him pour it into your mouth, don't be touching my bottle off everything. Man proceeds to give my bottle head and hand it back to me. Man then goes "it's ok I have the vaccine"

He nearly got a left hook.

Vaccine doesn't prevent or increase spread rates. It enhances your bodies ability to fight it off.

how many "waves" are there for this shit ? ... preparing my surfboard

jonnyah said:

An Analysis of CDC data conducted by the associated press shows that just 150 of the more than 18,000 Covid-19 deaths in during May in the USA resulted from “breakthrough” infections in fully vaccinated people. So, 0.83% of deaths are for people that are double jabbed. Or another way to put it, 99.2% of deaths were unvaccinated.

It's a similar picture for hospitalizations. Out of 107,000 hospitalizations, roughly 1,200 were fully vaccinated, or 1.1%.

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187
As for Vaccine deaths, a study in Australia showed 1 casual link to death for someone that developed Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome (TTS). That's with 3,600,000 doses administered. Which is something like 0.00002 %. There has been no change to the daily average death rate despite vaccinations.

https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-27-05-2021
No doubt you still won't believe it. But the facts are there.

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That the same the CDC that just said the “PCR” test you’ve all been relying on is now not fit for purpose? (Like the actual inventor of the test said almost a year ago lol.. that’s facts). Numbers are easily manipulated into %s using the correct number of participants, take a look at the actual death rate in the link I post below.

Here are some facts on deaths and adverse effects attributed to the “jab”.. as you said “the facts are there”, this isn’t a conspiracy site, their data is taken from your governments.. (they’re updating the page but it will show a lot more data if you check back later such as reported adverse effects)

https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data/mortality - this is a legit and well respected organisation that’s been around for years reporting on the effects of numerous vaccines. As I said.. I’ll pass on these “experimental” vaccines and rely on keeping fit and healthy naturally. They also estimate this is around 1% of the actual real stats.. as in most are not being reported.

t0mmy said:

That the same the CDC that just said the “PCR” test you’ve all been relying on is now not fit for purpose? (Like the actual inventor of the test said almost a year ago lol.. that’s facts). Numbers are easily manipulated into %s using the correct number of participants, take a look at the actual death rate in the link I post below.

Here are some facts on deaths and adverse effects attributed to the “jab”.. as you said “the facts are there”, this isn’t a conspiracy site, their data is taken from your governments.. (they’re updating the page but it will show a lot more data if you check back later such as reported adverse effects)

https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data/mortality - this is a legit and well respected organisation that’s been around for years reporting on the effects of numerous vaccines. As I said.. I’ll pass on these “experimental” vaccines and rely on keeping fit and healthy naturally. They also estimate this is around 1% of the actual real stats.. as in most are not being reported.

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Over 3 millions PCR tests conducted in Australia, with all positives traced back to known exposure sites. They work. The inventor died in 2019, so he didn't say that.

There are many studies you can read online on the BMJ and many other medical and scientific websites on the effectiveness of PCR. Don't believe the shit you see on youtube or read on Facebook.

Lateral flow tests are less accurate, but only in the sense they are likely to provide a false negative. A positive is a positive.

You do know how open vaers works, don't you? It's used for reporting, and is not indicative of actual cause.

Who's they? And what are they estimating?

At the end of the day, it's your choice. But saying the vaccine is ineffective, when all the evidence is to the contrary is not a good look, in my opinion.

Fair enough read the rubbish posted online, but think about it critically.
https://digest.bps.org.uk/2021/02/2...iated-with-lower-levels-of-critical-thinking/

cringe.

t0mmy said:

https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data/mortality - this is a legit and well respected organisation that’s been around for years reporting on the effects of numerous vaccines. As I said.. I’ll pass on these “experimental” vaccines and rely on keeping fit and healthy naturally. They also estimate this is around 1% of the actual real stats.. as in most are not being reported.

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Dying after vaccination or due to it are two very different things. Those stats show the former. If you check the actual reports, you won't find causality. I checked a few randomly. They're mostly very old people in nurseries, who died coincidentally after they got the jab (=they would have died regardless vaccination).

It's a passive reporting system, relies on individual reports. The data is not vetted in any way.
Anyone can send in a report, which is either true or not. For instance:
"My grandmother died a few hours after receiving the moderna covid vaccine booster 1. While I don?t expect that the events are related, the treating hospital did not acknowledge this and I wanted to be sure a report was made."

On top of that there are reports like this, which explicitly says, that the patient died due to the virus and not the vaccine:
"Prior to the administration of the COVID 19 vaccine, the nursing home had an outbreak of COVID-19. Patient was vaccinated and about a week later she tested positive for COVID-19. She had underlying thyroid and diabetes disease. She died as a result of COVID-19 and her underlying health conditions and not as a result of the vaccine."
So why was it reported to this site then, why is it in the stats?

It's a never-seen, big scale vaccination campaign, some deaths are to be expected. And since this site doesn't collect those deaths only, where the causality is established, but it collects every post-vaccination deaths, it's not good for much imho.

Close to 4 billion covid19 vaccine doses have been administered worldwide to date. If there would be a serious, mass-scale short-term issue with the vaccines, we would know about it already and we wouldn't need obscure stats reporting sites to tell us this.

We don't know about the long-term effects of the vaccines, but we can't do anything about that presently. It's a valid point, if you refuse to get vaccinated in connection to this. At the same time there's no proof yet, that the vaccines are harmful in any way.