I like how you twisted the facts. You also didn't hesitate to use the clout of your status as a BHW member to pressure the mods to ban me.
me and Kickflip had some issues before this, and his opinion isn't really impartial.
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I like how you twisted the facts. You also didn't hesitate to use the clout of your status as a BHW member to pressure the mods to ban me.
me and Kickflip had some issues before this, and his opinion isn't really impartial.
Kickflip
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You obviously don't even care about the mods decisions. You only want your BHW account to continue making new business contacts, which you will end up ripping off in the future and making BHW look bad. This guy isn't even trying anymore. He doesn't give 1 shit about right and wrong, just money.
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This is getting closed again until theres something relevant to post since the conversation keeps turning to bickering. If you have something to add that is relevant to the issue at hand, PM it to the moderator who is handling this dispute. In the meantime just hang tight.
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1. OP hired toyo to do mailing using toyo's own listing and server.
2. As per their prior agreement, toyo agreed to do this job for $4000 and OP wired the money on friday and toyo initiated the mailing, even though he knows its a pump and dump stuff, which breaks the prior agreement.
(So far, I did nt receive any info or mailing conversations between op & toyo regarding those agreements)
3. After initiating the work, toyo found IP's were geting blacklisted due to "stock fraud" and significant decrease in delivery rate.
4. Now Op claims, toyo not completed the job and need refund.
@toyo..
From your posts, its clear you bother much about agreeement, if so, then you should nt have start the job. By initiating the job knowing its a pump and dump stuff, yourself broke the agreement.
If you could nt deliver the Job, you could have explain the issues to OP, instead blocking him in skype.
When OP accused you, as a business man, you should have tried to solve this amicably, instead hiding behind the BHW shitlist rules.
In some of your posts, you are stating they are partial, because they have some personal issues with you. Did you read some of the posts, where it says about your email related ebook?
I agree, its your service and its your rules, but on who's money?
Even though business is illegal, there should be some ethics. I dont see any here.
Before initiating any action, i would like to hear from OP, as he did nt turn up after posting this thread. OP can reach me at skype : bigbuddybhw to solve this amicably.
We agreed on company profiles beforehand. I then gave my partner/worker instructions to start mailing the moment the payment comes in. He delivered to my skype pump and dump material, and my partner/worker had access to it, and begin the mailing since the wire tracking claimed that the payment has already touched the bank account. This part of the deal was based on trust. I trusted him to send the right material to skype when the payment comes in, and my partner/worker had no knowledge on the deal, or even aware what is pump and dump material.
This forum has clear rules, and I have the right to quote the rules where necessary. Given the nature of this deal, BHW is clearly not the right place to discuss it or to resolve it. This kind of discussion is banned in BHW, not just because of its legality, but also due to the fact the email marketing section has already been removed. BlackhatWorld is not hosted on a bulletproof host, but its is hosted on a whitehat host, in the middle of the United States. Discussion of illegal activities can cause BlackHatWorld to be kicked out of its host. I hope the moderators knows of the risk that they are taking by letting the discussion of this issue to continue.
Impartiality (also called evenhandedness or fair-mindedness) is a principle of justice holding that decisions should be based on objective criteria, rather than on the basis of bias, prejudice, or preferring the benefit to one person over another for improper reasons.
I think you mean I'm saying they are not impartial.
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Yes, BHW has clear rules. One of the rule is regarding signature . Did you ever followed that rule. You use to sell your ebook through your signature without staff approval.
Pump and Dump stuff discussion is not allowed in BHW , but i don't think we are discussing here, how to make money from that stuff.
As you said above, enough of discussions about this issue. lets come to the conclusion.
OP contacted you for the job, so saying your partner initiated the job without knowledge of pump and dump stuff could not be accepted, as everything was dealt by you.
So far, I did nt receive any solid proof from both the sides regarding Job completion or Job incompletion. It could be loss for both the sides. I insist toyo to issue 50% Refund to OP.
Pump and Dump stuff discussion is not allowed in BHW , but i don't think we are discussing here, how to make money from that stuff.
As you said above, enough of discussions about this issue. lets come to the conclusion.
OP contacted you for the job, so saying your partner initiated the job without knowledge of pump and dump stuff could not be accepted, as everything was dealt by you.
So far, I did nt receive any solid proof from both the sides regarding Job completion or Job incompletion. It could be loss for both the sides. I insist toyo to issue 50% Refund to OP.
Fine with me, although I don't have his bank account details to refund any amount of money.
I'm awaiting his account details to arrange the wire.
Account name
Address
Account Number
Bank Name
Bank Address
ABA# or routing number
Swift Code
One last thing, I'm asking assurance from the mods that I would not be banned for this incident after the funds arrive in OPs bank account. I hope I will get assurance that I would be able to keep my account without incident.
Also, I can't be sitting on this issue forever, if I don't get the wiring instructions within 1 week from today, I consider the matter closed, and the OP would not be eligible for a refund. One week is more than enough to gather bank account data, I think I'm being reasonable here.
I'm awaiting his account details to arrange the wire.
Account name
Address
Account Number
Bank Name
Bank Address
ABA# or routing number
Swift Code
One last thing, I'm asking assurance from the mods that I would not be banned for this incident after the funds arrive in OPs bank account. I hope I will get assurance that I would be able to keep my account without incident.
Also, I can't be sitting on this issue forever, if I don't get the wiring instructions within 1 week from today, I consider the matter closed, and the OP would not be eligible for a refund. One week is more than enough to gather bank account data, I think I'm being reasonable here.
Abstroose
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Your attitude towards this whole thing has been outrageous.
IamBlackhatter
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You just did it for hits ? Lol...
IKbentim
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Happy ending? What's happy about this ending?
- You're not going to pay back anything (even though you're saying you are.. i mean this guy is never going to send you his details if you keep bringing up fbi and stuff).
- No one in their right mind is going to do business with you on these forums after seeing the disturbing replies from you in this thread.
So i don't see how this is a happy ending, not for you not for the OP and not for moderators/admins wasting their time on something like this.
yeah, I guess its not even a happy ending for the trolls given that I'm not running away with the money. Btw, you're the only one who brought up the FBI in this whole thread, the FBI was never mentioned by anyone, ever.
IKbentim
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You did.. you just edited it
july23
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What an arrogant bullshit. You are the first person on my not to DEAL LIST.
Eric creed intention was pure scam, your intention was to pretend to be PRO on something which end being unprofessional .
If mod don't see this:
According to OP chat log.
date are
11/4/11 - money sent
11/7/11 - Toyo is still chatting
11/8/11 - obviously he received the funds
Toyo recieved the fund - 3:41 AM
9:01 AM - OP cannot contact him anymore.
It didn't even break a day to before he remove the OP contact (a sign of good business
)The conclusion is:
OP cannot contact toyo anymore during 9:01AM or more earlier its possible that he already remove the OP Contact after confirming of receiving the money.
The setup and everything surely would take an hour to be done to start the campaign. and! within just a matter of 2-3hours he already proclaim that the list are bad. and remove the OP contact.
Instead of contacting the OP he just directly remove it from his contact since he got the money already and for him the deal is done.
What an arrogant bullshit. You are the first person on my not to DEAL LIST.
Eric creed intention was pure scam, your intention was to pretend to be PRO on something which end being unprofessional .
If mod don't see this:
According to OP chat log.
date are
11/4/11 - money sent
11/7/11 - Toyo is still chatting
11/8/11 - obviously he received the funds
Toyo recieved the fund - 3:41 AM
9:01 AM - OP cannot contact him anymore.
It didn't even break a day to before he remove the OP contact (a sign of good business
The conclusion is:
OP cannot contact toyo anymore during 9:01AM or more earlier its possible that he already remove the OP Contact after confirming of receiving the money.
The setup and everything surely would take an hour to be done to start the campaign. and! within just a matter of 2-3hours he already proclaim that the list are bad. and remove the OP contact.
Instead of contacting the OP he just directly remove it from his contact since he got the money already and for him the deal is done.
haters gonna hate.
july23
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No worries bro. call me hater if you want. But you are scammer no doubt.
Is that what you get from studying law?? disgusting
I think its widely known that scammers don't issue refunds.
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