yeah, he did break the main clause of the agreement by delivering pump and dump material for mailing to my partner when I clearly stated that in our agreement that we would mail company profiles with no stock promotion.
Toyo is a theif!
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yeah, he did break the main clause of the agreement by delivering pump and dump material for mailing to my partner when I clearly stated that in our agreement that we would mail company profiles with no stock promotion.
Kickflip
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But you went ahead and mailed stuff that was against your T&C's.
So everyone loses.
You made an agreement : the guy goes to sleep : you proceed to break the agreement that you made : don't complete the job or mess it up so it hurts you as well : now you both have lost
* he lost his money by not getting what he paid for
* through your own efforts you screwed up your business... and lost money.
Seems that it's your own fault - and you should refund him - your trying to blame him for problems you caused yourself.
You made an agreement : the guy goes to sleep : you proceed to break the agreement that you made : don't complete the job or mess it up so it hurts you as well : now you both have lost
* he lost his money by not getting what he paid for
* through your own efforts you screwed up your business... and lost money.
Seems that it's your own fault - and you should refund him - your trying to blame him for problems you caused yourself.
He broke the agreement by sending pump and dump material to my partner. He caused a big dent in my earnings for this month with his intentional "mistake". I would not refund him even a cent, he doesn't deserve it in my POV.
Its my service, and I have the liberty to decide on the rules as I see fit.
I would not do the mailing, then. You have read the creative, right? But you still started the job.
LOL, you did it on your own decision. In other words, he insisted to send scammy stock advertising, you accepted it then you use your own bad decision and said that he was the one that broke the rules.
Conclusion:
1. Probably you cannot be professional and cannot think clearly when working under pressure.
2. Do not consistent with your own words.
P.S My current rep is 19, just in case I get a neg rep after this post....
"He broke the agreement by sending pump and dump material to my partner. He caused a big dent in my earnings for this month with his intentional "mistake". I would not refund him even a cent, he doesn't deserve it in my POV."
Well why did you start the job then ? I mean if you know its wrong and you don't want to do it - and it's not what you agree
why didn't you send his money back and forget the whole thing ?
Well why did you start the job then ? I mean if you know its wrong and you don't want to do it - and it's not what you agree
why didn't you send his money back and forget the whole thing ?
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I got a -Rep from this A**hole, Rep count that i built helping people here. He has the right to get a full refund if you can't deliver.
Ban this scammer
Ban this scammer
I wish I did.
IKbentim
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I hope you don't get any negative rep for this because you are totally right. I just think this is one of those cases where the seller got blinded by the money and accepted the job even when it sounded shady.
And the way your defending yourself toyo is embarrassing really. In your head it's somehow right that you took the money.. I hope a lot of people realize that they shouldn't do business with you.
I don't think toyo is a scammer but the way he's handling this situation is terrible.
You allowed him to do his intentional "mistake"
You losses big because of your own greed. You know that you're going to cut a different tree but you still do it anyway..
Then send it the unfinished job. Don't grab what's not yours! It's completely clear that you did a mistake here but instead of refunding the money back to the OP and take all your faults as experiences, on the contrary you take all the money..
IKbentim
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But the thing I still don't understand is.. When he started to change the plan why didn't you just refund his money there and then?
If I got an agreement with someone to do a logo and suddenly he goes "forget about the logo I want you to photoshop a picture of my cock on a pikachu doll" I go no.. And here's your money back.
If I got an agreement with someone to do a logo and suddenly he goes "forget about the logo I want you to photoshop a picture of my cock on a pikachu doll" I go no.. And here's your money back.
husypunter
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Toyo is guilty..
but he says he did something, which didnt work out.
IMO, 70% of the money should be refunded to OP, if not full.
but he says he did something, which didnt work out.
IMO, 70% of the money should be refunded to OP, if not full.
lol. I hope the mods will make a decision whether to ban me or not impartially rather than basing it on the opinions of a few armchair analysts(and trolls).
I'm off for today.
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if u new this could hurt you - why do it ?
MONEY ? u did it knowing the risks involved
I would not refund him even a cent
isnt that for the mods to decide ? thats what shit
list is for, 2 party dispute unless of course your saying
if the mods found in his favor u have no intention of paying
anyways. just using your words .
and calling bhw members trolls ? not nice .
I'm off for today. < doesnt seem bothered either way
joaquin112
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Lol, Toyo that's the best way to never get any more customers. Good luck, but I'll personally stay a mile away from you. And remember, what goes around comes around. You're guilty as fuck on this one.
I make enough than to bother about random clients like this.
Kickflip
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Based on this statement, if Toyo isn't banned, I don't think I will continue using BHW. He admits he didn't complete the service. He admits he has no intention of refunding the guy. He would rather be banned than go with the mods decisions.
He feels that he can take money for a service, and just decide after he gets the money if he wants to do the job or not. If he decides not to do the job, you are not entitled to a refund, he keeps the money anyways. In his mind, this is the correct way to act.
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