This is why I Can`t have nice things.

Dude why didn't you just do it yourself, you wasted more time with the idiot than you would have wasted: Searching on google how to do it + Implementing the changes...

I've run into similar stuff in DP also, but regarding content writing of supposed "native english" experienced writers, the problem is that you probably won't give negative feedback because you fear you will be given also (i was in the same situation), and that is why you can never trust those 100% feedback, unless the comments are really descriptive.

GreyWolf said:

Well I don't think anything in the thread could be considered a racist attack. It's just about the problems with communicating between non-native language speakers. That's a universal problem regardless of which languages are being discussed.

The fact that English is an official language in India is also irrelevant. In Canada they have two official languages, English and French. Depending where you go in Canada you're likely to meet people that speak only French or only English. Not everyone there is bilingual even though officially the country is.

Even in the USA where English is the only official language you can meet many people that don't speak English. Actually English is only effectively the national language in the USA. It's basically just the default language that almost everyone speaks, there has never been an officially designated language in the USA.

The point is simply that speaking a broken language and being fluent in a language are too different things. Sometimes it can make the difference between conducting business effectively or not.

Click to expand...

At first I didn't know BigBuddy was from india.. then he mentioned it in one of his posts.. now I"m look o shit it actually sticks out now that I know he's from there. Human psychology is really amazing.

Down another $20 to DP.

Have I mentioned I hate the internet?

zb.ouykcuf said:

Down another $20 to DP.

Have I mentioned I hate the internet?

Click to expand...

if you want a guaranteed results then I suggest you use a freelancer review based system like getafreelancer.

Yes it can sometimes be frustrating dealing with someone that doesn't have a good grasp of the English language.

Think about all the newbies that get trashed for not getting off their ass and doing something. These Indians are trying hard to do just that. Granted communication is a PITA, they are actually trying to work !

Would help though if they had someone with better language skills to assist them. Another area where they tend to have a problem is with being impatience. I have had a few occurances where they seemed to want everything yesterday. I did tell one that things in America happen at a somewhat slower pace. The concept didn't seem to ring home with him alas.

I've had some good luck dealing with Indians, but it can be trying at times.

Grasp of English is one thing.. saying you can do something you have no idea how to do is completely different.

Someone mentioned ethics earlier why do outsources think it`s ok to flat out LIE about their skills? Look at the new Outsource system in the member DL section. The guy who wrote the series says expect 90% of people looking for a virtual assistant job to flat out LIE about their skills.

I mean I am no one special... just a cabbie but, damned if I let people get in the cab if I can`t figure out where they are going.

hha, it's better to give $5 than talk with people who cannot speak english

Hire from the Philippines not India. India folks say yes which means I see you have said something, not yes I understand and will do it.

Link dropper I found a philipnes guy once that was decent and than flaked. Any idea where to look for good Philippians workers?

zb.ouykcuf said:

Link dropper I found a philipnes guy once that was decent and than flaked. Any idea where to look for good Philippians workers?

Click to expand...

Strangely enough I found good Filipinos on Craigslist in the past I made them send a C.V which I verified and I called them with voip to test their competency. Also sulit.com.ph is a filipino version of craigslist.

My opinion even though its cliche you often "get what you pay for" but also if you dont screen the freelancer I wouldnt be concerned about 10,20,30 USD I would be more worried about how much they can fu#k your site up. I once had an indian upload a txt copy of an email I sent him with FTP and Databases but he uploaded it in multiple places throughout my website in a folder called "notes". Some of these freelancers are incredibly incompetent.

GreyWolf said:

@aeLED - Dazzler in no way tried to say non-native-English speakers are unethical or won't do good business.

What he's saying is that if someone can only speak broken English and you can't speak their language then it can sometimes be too hard to communicate clearly.

I know many members on this forum are from India, Europe, Asia, Russia, etc. that are not native English speakers, but they don't speak broken English either. You can tell they aren't native speakers, but they definately are fluent at the language. There's a difference between knowing a little bit of a second language and being able to effectively communicate in another language yet. People that speak broken English may be learning the language well, but they're a long way from being fluent. They're much further along than someone that doesn't know the language at all, but that doesn't mean they can communicate effectively.

Kudos to the guys that can even speak broken English. You're doing better than I am at learning foreign languages. They just need to understand their limitations, they aren't fluent at the language. There's still a long way to go from speaking broken English to becoming a fluent English speaker. It isn't a dig on anyone, it's just a fact about the progression of learning to speak additional languages.

For many things broken English may be sufficient, especially because English is a little more forgiving than a lot of other languages for grammar and syntax errors. But even so, small grammatical errors in any language including English can make the difference between saying something should be done one way, or it absolutely should not be done that way.

Click to expand...

I have worked with people from Digital Point 80% of the time I was extremely dissappointed.
They over-promiss and under-deliver...
Fiverr is a much better place to get workers if you ask me
Alot of people who work there are willing to do all sorts of things for like 5$!
And yes its true that English is a relatively easy language...
Take Bulgarian for example... If you aren't from the Balcans or from Russia it would be quite hard for you to even pronounce some words
But people trying to learn Bulgarian make great youtube videos.

Lol, poor guy, he tried, and he was respectful, but sadly he appears to be a fucking moron, either that or he has an exceptionally bad grasp of the english language.

lolz, this is what you get when you work with random asian guys.... they cant write good english and also even dont understand it. i can understand your feelings OP.

Someone gave me NEGREP for this post. I am at -9 NEGREP now and starting to worry about getting banned.

I guess I won`t post anything anymore? I also can`t help but wonder if it`s one guy following me from post to post negrepping me or am I just widely disliked?

zb.ouykcuf said:

Someone gave me NEGREP for this post. I am at -9 NEGREP now and starting to worry about getting banned.

I guess I won`t post anything anymore? I also can`t help but wonder if it`s one guy following me from post to post negrepping me or am I just widely disliked?

Click to expand...

well it's just that people find a it funny to neg rep people with low rep... lol.

zb.ouykcuf said:

Someone gave me NEGREP for this post. I am at -9 NEGREP now and starting to worry about getting banned.

I guess I won`t post anything anymore? I also can`t help but wonder if it`s one guy following me from post to post negrepping me or am I just widely disliked?

Click to expand...

Well rep can be given for just about anything. It's not likely that you'll get banned just for getting neg reps.

It's also not likely that anyone is following you around neg repping you. After giving a rep, you can't give the same guy another one right away, the rep system doesn't let anyone just keep giving the same guy rep over and over. Unfortunately a lot of it is probably about what JesusBack said regarding people neg repping just because you already have low rep.

Just try to make worthwhile posts and your rep should take care of itself. Here's a +4 from me to help try getting you back on the right track.

Merry Christmas.

Thank you both.. I do appreciate it.

I really just try to make people laugh while I am learning.. I am sure sometimes it comes off the wrong way..

Merry Christmas to all!

zb.ouykcuf said:

At the point I realized he had no clue what I meant I figured $5 was a small price to pay to unload a clueless Indian I had just given my FTP credentials to.

I of course changed my FTP pasword..


I have had good luck on DP in the past.. but the last few attempts were huge misses. I looked on here for someone but I Can`t pay $300.00 for a $30.00 theme.

Click to expand...

You actually gave your FTP details to a clueless(?) Indian (or whoever)?!

How quickly you trusted him to do the work efficiently? Or did you just wanted to get the job done for $5... not that I am blaming anyone, but I wonder... That other person, may be, was quite foolish(!) but you gave the FTP details to a person who may not have been known to you for possibly less than 1 hour...

You shouldn't have given a live (may be, also very important to you) website to a person (who, poor fellow, wasn't able to understand what you actually wanted to be done) --- didn't you thought about the risk/s to your entire site?

Did he bid $5 for the job and won it? Did you try to learn how competent he was by asking for references/portfolio/etc. And now....

I wouldn't give anyone my site's FTP details without having the trust factor built between us, but that's a different story.


Think over these things, my dear friend. You were indeed lucky and/but .... [don't want to say the word]!

Instead of blaming him for his broken English and possible inefficiency, thank him for not destroying your entire site, or for that matter, not putting some malicious code in it (intentionally or unintentionally, or even foolishly)... I don't think he would have done that in any case either... but you were lucky and, may be, not-so-clever too. I mean, why didn't you test him with a dummy site - a copy of your site - first and asked him to do the work first on localhost or something, then implement on your live site if everything was done to your satisfaction... there could be other such methods...


You, therefore, shouldn't be 'undressing' his shortcomings in this manner... you possibly were equally 'inept' if I may say so. Just my humble opinion.



P.S.: It actually took you only 7 minutes to send your FTP details to a newly acquainted/met 'web-designer'. You trusted rather quickly I would say. I hope you had thoroughly interviewed him (before these 7 minutes) to understand whether he was the right one to do the job.... I also suspect that during the "interview", he displayed a great command over his English language skills apart from his web designing skills (or else you wouldn't have given a job to him that possibly required the FTP details to be transferred)... and you were then (before the 7 minutes) sufficiently sure that he was the right person...

Whom to blame?


God Bless!

I'll wait for new work from you , ahahaha luved that one.

Yep, DP you ask for simple job, they make it so complicated.