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Vrill said:

its not worth talking with you guys.You through endless claims about studies etc with no link or any information nothing just poor words and nothing else.Another one claiming i provide no source.I guess a conference of joe bidden or chicago council or stratfor is to difficult for him to see the source instantly.Just shows how limited he is

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So let's get this straight then Vrill:

You post 2 short videos of 2 people commenting on 2 events - and you consider that as adequate proof that the US is trying to start a war in Europe

But 3 global vaccination programs which have eradicated 2 diseases globally and another on 2 continents - that's not enough proof that vaccination works?

You have a very malleable definition of what constitutes proof.

Like i said a poor discussion.If you dont know what stratfor,chicago council or the vice president is than i really feel sorry for you guys but would also advise to stop talking about topics you have no clue about who is who and who are the decission makers of a country.

To your claim that 3 vaccines have eradicated 2 diseases ......show me the proof that it was caused by the vaccine and not by something else cause i can also
provide sweets to people in the winter and claim that the mass flue in winter was healed by sweets since they got sweets during that time......

You should first study that case and most important take the aspect of hygiene

Vrill said:

To your claim that 3 vaccines have eradicated 2 diseases ......show me the proof that it was caused by the vaccine and not by something else cause i can also
provide sweets to people in the winter and claim that the mass flue in winter was healed by sweets since they got sweets during that time......

You should first study that case and most important take the aspect of hygiene

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OK, let's take Smallpox:

It was one of the deadliest diseases on the planet. It killed almost half a billion people and had a mortality rate of up to 50%.
Then, once a vaccination was developed, firstly the mortality rates dropped (because post-infection vaccination increased survival rates)
Then, once a vaccination program was implemented, incidence rates started to fall.
And then, after the last case of Smallpox was found and dealt with - no more Smallpox!

So what's your explanation for the eradication of Smallpox Vrill?

Something else happened, coincidentally, at exactly the same time as the vaccination program - and that was what eradicated it?

So maybe, if there actually was a one world government... We would be finally accepted into the intergalactic unions of space and beyond! I mean seriously, have any of you ever read sci-fi where the visited planets had hundreds of factions competing and warring among themselves? Why would other beings want to deal with our planet's backwoods Kentucky shit, if the rest of the galaxy has refined their systems over thousands to millions of years?

As of right now, our entire planet is fucked.

LOL so you guys deny my source which is a conference from joe bidden ,chicago council and stratfor telling me that this is theory and posting yourself a so called proof on a 4 line claim ?Thats what you call proof ?
And the answer to your question was already provided ealier if you would have read proplery.But here also a nice quote of a known german doctor

"The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by doctors - and certainly not by vaccines... The decline has been the result of technical, social and hygienic improvement."
Gerhard Buchwald MD, Internal Medicine Specialist,Germany

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Waiting now for your scientific proof that it was done by vaccines and nothing else and not just some article claims.
Would also love to hear your argumentation how places on the world have stopped getting smallpox even they NEVER VACCINED ?
Must be some magical vaccine heh ?

"It is pathetic and ludicrous to say we ever vanquished smallpox with vaccines, when only 10% of the population was ever vaccinated."
Dr. Glen Dettman PhD, Australia

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Vrill said:

LOL so you guys deny my source which is a conference from joe bidden ,chicago council and stratfor telling me that this is theory and posting you so called proof on a 4 line claim ?Thats what you call proof ?
And the answer to your question was already provided ealier if you would have read proplery.But here also a nice quote of a known german doctor

"The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by doctors - and certainly not by vaccines... The decline has been the result of technical, social and hygienic improvement."
Gerhard Buchwald MD, Internal Medicine Specialist,Germany

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Waiting now for your scientific proof that it was done by vaccines and nothing else and not just some article claims.

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So your proof that a global vaccination program did not eradicate Smallpox - is one quote by one doctor?

It's also complete nonsense.

Are you seriously suggesting that poor hygiene causes Smallpox, Polio and Rubella

And in the case of Rubella (the disease that's just been eradicated in North and South America), your argument would mean that North and South America have suddenly, at exactly the same time as a vaccination program, become more hygienic than Europe. Complete and utter rubbish Vrill.

How about Rinderpest Vrill - how do you explain the way that was completely eradicated via a mass vaccination program?

Just to make you aware, Rinderpest is a disease of cattle, not people. So how did cattle suddenly improve their hygiene?

Don't ignore that last question - what's your answer to that? How does that fit in with your single quote by a single doctor?

Do you want me now to through each and every vaccine what was invented ?A neverless questening till i'm tired?And i'm not claiming my proofs just on quotes but on data if you would check them yourself.Here some nice hints how to check it

About your Polio

From 1923 to 1953 before the Salk killed virus vaccine was introduced, the polio death rate in the United States and England had already declined on its own by 47% and 55% respectively.
International Mortality Statistics

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"I went to the Office for National Statistics and got out all the old books when public records began to be kept in 1837 and wrote down the mortality figures for the diseases against which we vaccinate. I was shocked to discover that vaccines hadn't made the great impact that I had been led to believe with graphs starting a few years before the vaccines were introduced. INSTEAD of showing the figures from fifty or a hundred years before when you would see that 95-99% of the reduction from measles, for example, already before vaccines were introduced."

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And to your question of Rinderpest.....use some of your grey cells and answer your question yourself.Maybe you reread what is causing deseases and tell me if you still think if there is no diffrence for cattles 100+ years before and today.

Maybe when using your grey cells for a minute yourself you will be able to answer the question yourself


But PLEASE do me a favour and stop jumping from one shit into another ....as it just shows you are not able to proof your claims and just jump to another stupid question which already have been answered

I can't play the video ! Is it deleted ?

Vrill said:

Waiting now for your scientific proof that it was done by vaccines and nothing else and not just some article claims.
Would also love to hear your argumentation how places on the world have stopped getting smallpox even they NEVER VACCINED ?
Must be some magical vaccine heh ?

"It is pathetic and ludicrous to say we ever vanquished smallpox with vaccines, when only 10% of the population was ever vaccinated."
Dr. Glen Dettman PhD, Australia

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This demonstrates your complete lack of knowledge about epidemiology

You don't need to vaccinate every member of a population to eradicate a disease.

You first need to vaccinate enough people to limit its spread, to contain it.

And once you have done that, you have the ability to handle the lower number of new cases in time to stop further outbreaks.

Over time, with a sustained and organised vaccination program, new cases reduce and further outbreaks are contained more rapidly.

Eventually, there are no more people who are carrying the disease - and at that point there is no need to vaccinate anyone else.

With Smallpox, there is no need to vaccinate people any more, because the disease was eradicated - by vaccination!

Vrill said:

And to your question of Rinderpest.....use some of your grey cells and answer your question yourself.Maybe you reread what is causing deseases and tell me if you still think if there is no diffrence for cattles 100+ years before and today.

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Where does 100 years come into it? Rinderpest was only eradicated in the last decade - through an organised and sustained vaccination program

Maybe when using your grey cells for a minute yourself you will be able to answer the question yourself

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I always use my 'grey cells' Vrill.

Rather than using the cop out argument of asking me to prove your point for you - why don't you use your own 'grey cells' and prove your own point?

But PLEASE do me a favour and stop jumping from one shit into another ....as it just shows you are not able to proof your claims and just jump to another stupid question which already have been answered

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I didn't jump from one thing to another.

You brought out some daft quote about hygiene improvement, and not vaccination, being responsible for the eradication of diseases.

I therefore mentioned Rinderpest because it is an animal disease, not a people disease - which means you cannot cite improving hygiene in people as the reason that disease was wiped out.

Trepanated, do you come from a scientific background? You seem well read in many of these matters.

whatrat said:

Trepanated, do you come from a scientific background? You seem well read in many of these matters.

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Thanks for the compliment, but not to any great degree outside of my education. I was in nursing a long time ago though and did my professional training in one of the last of the old 'Insane Asylums' or 'Mental Hospitals'

I do read very widely though and my interests include all the sciences.

And unlike Vrill, I read for the sake of learning and knowledge, not just selective reading in order to confirm some preconceived conspiratorial belief system.

Here's an example of Vrill's selective reading:

That quote he gave a few posts ago, to prove his anti-vaccine nonsense

"I went to the Office for National Statistics and got out all the old books when public records began to be kept in 1837 and wrote down the mortality figures for the diseases against which we vaccinate. I was shocked to discover that vaccines hadn't made the great impact that I had been led to believe with graphs starting a few years before the vaccines were introduced. INSTEAD of showing the figures from fifty or a hundred years before when you would see that 95-99% of the reduction from measles, for example, already before vaccines were introduced."

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I took the trouble to find out where that quote came from - because contrary to Vrill's accusations, I do follow up on what he posts, just in case he isn't posting spurious nonsense.

It turns out it's a doctor called Jayne Donegan, who is a certified homeopathy practitioner. Basically, she is a quack scientist.

And worse than that, she was involved in a vaccination court case (MMR) a few years ago where her 'expert witness' evidence was dismissed by the judge as quack science.

Even worse than that, the judge said that most of the research she quoted actually confirmed the opposite of the claims she was making.

Utterly ridiculous

This is the quality of 'evidence' Vrill incessantly rolls out in support of his specious arguments.