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This is easy money - based on Valentine Thread

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by spikeanut, Feb 2, 2009.

  1. spikeanut

    spikeanut Registered Member

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    Ok guys, bear with me, I just had a semi-epiphany, lol. If you have not read the Valentine thread, you should do so to see the potential. This is all probably old news to everyone, but hey, it's new to me!

    Alright, so here's the layout, this should work with any holiday, but Valentine's is coming up, so get a move on it. Firstly, purchase a cheap and short, flower-keyword specific domain. For instance, mine is EZ-Flowers.com. Very short and memorable. You want it as easy on the customers as possible. This will be your "posted" website.

    What you would need to do is create a very craft flyer, advertising your "posted" website for flower sales. Put whatever eye-catching layout you can think of: "cheapest flowers anywhere!" "Just in Time for Valentine!" "Surprise her/him at work!" You get the deal. Anyways, whatever flower affiliate you are signed-up with will be doing all the work. Once you have a few thousand flyers, look for distributors, students, friends, Craigslist has many of them, heck, your local Home Depot..lol.

    Here's the BlackHat part. Your "posted" website will be completely blank. It will actually redirect the customer to a sub-domain site, ie: shops.ez-flowers.com (in my case). This will be your designed site, with links from your affiliate and so forth. You want it to look like a store. You do not have to be too detailed tho, this is just to satisfy your affiliate when they start checking into what site is referring all these customers. Anyways, you will use Brads CPAredirect (Fake the Referrer) with this site, to push your customers to the mainpage of your affiliate site.

    Why all the hoops and giggles of a site and sub-domain you ask? Well, here is my logic: You want the "posted" site to be as short as possible! Most people will goto a site if it's XXX(.)com. However, with the CPAredirect, if we only had one site, the customer would have to goto:
    "http://ez-flowers.com/?mn=xxxx". This, in my eyes is very inefficient. A lot of the customers will not type in the extra (?mn=xxxx), which is needed for this to work, but they will type the ez-flowers.com portion of the address. If that's the case, you will lose out on a whole lot of customers.

    What my whole process does is, the customer will goto the easy-to-remember site of ez-flowers.com, and then will get pushed automatically to the CPAredirected site, with the 'magic number' which will in turn push them to the affiliate. And all that the affiliate sees is the referring website being your store front, or shops.ez-flowers.com....And all is GOOD!

    Again, I have not implement it yet...will get working on the flyers immediately, but I thought I would share this little scheme of mine with you guys first. I honestly think this is fool proof, but again, still a rough draft, so if anyone has anything to add, please do so. Once you do the main layout/flyer setup, this will all be automated, and you should just start passive incoming coming in. Again, there's still close to 2 weeks to get on this for Valentine, and most big flower stores ship next day for valentine, just with a bigger fee....which equals higher kickback for us. =). Alright guys, Let me have it, critique this method away..don't worry, I have thick skin. =P

    I just don't want to start seeing all kinds of these flyers around my house the next couple of days, I have dibs on all of California, lol.
     
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  2. dmed123

    dmed123 Junior Member

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    This is a great idea. Specially since I think it works really well Offline Marketing. Good Luck! Please post results.
     
  3. FleshJoe

    FleshJoe Power Member

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    Sounds good, only one problem tho. Most affiliate managers worth their salt will want to check the main domain and discover the redirect :)

    P.S. I know this stuff, I worked as an affiliate manager. I've yet to see any of these methods that would get one past me :)
     
  4. spikeanut

    spikeanut Registered Member

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    Well, if they check the main domain, then you just need to buy another domain, an info domain. Name is irregardless, since it is just a front for your affiliates. Believe me, there are ways, easy ways, to get about that issue. The CPAredirect is your friend.
     
  5. oceanman

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    spikeanut you got my FIRST thanks for sharing this method :)
     
  6. spikeanut

    spikeanut Registered Member

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    Hehe, thanks Oceanman. I just hope some people are able to benefit from this method. I Personally think this could have limitless potential, but I guess I'm kinda biased, and it is late at the moment. I'll just wake up tomorrow and see this post as rubbish again, we'll see. Planning on getting the flyer up by then though, lol. I will give you guys updates on whether this method worked for me come Valentine's day.
     
  7. spikeanut

    spikeanut Registered Member

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    Basic search through internet gave me some very basic templates for Microsoft Projects. I'm sure there are better ones out there, but it's late, and I have work in a few hours.

    hxxp://w3.mediafire.c0m/?sharekey=7269c37ab642b796bda4076e811714c802de9038dde784eb5be6ba49b5870170
     
  8. wiredmom

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    Why are you going to all that trouble to "hide" your traffic? What you are doing is simply offline promotions. If you're worried about a lot of leads from a certain geo-ip area just talk to your AM to let them know you'll be doing some offline promoting. I highly doubt any network worth their salt will turn down legit sales like that.
     
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    sikandar Senior Member

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    Thanks for the info. Which International flower delivery sites have well paying affiliate programs?
     
  10. modeals

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    im very interested in how you do with this. please keep us posted as Ive been thinking about this type of project but wont make the deadline for valentines day. I think itll work so i am interested in seeing how you do.
     
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    tip: just make sure search engines won't index your site, or else your aff managers will find out your EZ-flowers site. solution is a robots.txt that blocks everything.
     
  12. spikeanut

    spikeanut Registered Member

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    The main purpose of this method is to simplify our work as much as possible, as well as the customers. This is my two fold thought process:

    Customers will more likely type in a (dot)com website address, instead of a (dot)com+affiliate link. We would lose tons of potential customers if our promotion was: Come to "http://yoursite.com/affiliate#" When I see promotions like that, I just type in the main site address, and screw the affiliate number. That alone shaves probably over 50% of our potential customers.

    The other topic is to simplify the process for us, as webmasters. We save the time it takes to build a very 'professional' and 'secure' website, because all we would really need to build would be a simple facade to appease the affiliates. If you want to look at a very simplistic site I put up in about 5 minutes for a similar purpose, goto "apozo.com" Now, I don't know about you guys, but there's no way in hell I would ever buy anything from a website that looks like that. However, my philosophy is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and that's the reason why I would choose to use the affiliate's main site. They've done all the hard work for us, we just get to reap the benefits.

    Again, I never said this is a new topic, I'm just trying to figure out the most simplistic and efficient way to convert the most customers. And I honestly believe anyone can make money with this process, at least I'll be trying to.:p

     
  13. bl4ck1ce

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    Nice idea, but I don't see the reason behind trying to hide your traffic from your AM... this isn't blackhat, it's just offline marketing. I agree that most customers wouldn't type in an affid=12345 after the domain name, but that's what redirect domains are for. The only time I don't use a redirect domain is when I've got multiple aff links on a single site, then I just use mywebsite.com/resources/affname with a php redirect.

    If your particular CPA network disallows offline marketing completely, then you could get a 2nd domain (like a .info, something cheap) and then build a minisite with some aff banners, etc. and tell your AM that one is your website. Then advertise with your main .com address, use a double meta refresh on that url, with the 2nd one being on the .info domain.. then send some junk traffic at it to water down your CTR. Nothing new about that.

    However, depending on your niche, it may be worth it to just find another network rather than going to that trouble.. I still don't understand why you'd need to hide plain offline marketing from your AM. As stated above, it is legit traffic..

    Anyways, I like the overall idea.. and it could be applied to many things beyond flowers!
    Thanks for the share!
     
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  14. spikeanut

    spikeanut Registered Member

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    I guess I must have the wrong idea with my affiliate, I thought with an online affiliate, you had to have legitimate site up. With a direct redirect, when your affiliate checks to see who referred them to their site, they will find your site directly redirecting to them, and according to my affiliate, that is against TOS. You must have a valid site, in order to be an online affiliate, at least for the ones I deal with.

    As far as the double meta refresh, that is the same idea as the CPAredirect, just labeled differently. I really don't understand how that is any different than what I explained in my first post, specially the part with the .info domain and all, I thought i was relaying that pretty well in the post.

    If you guys are still doing the double meta refresh, you should really look into Brad's post, here, and software, makes it very very simple. Great thing about it is you can have different affiliates on your site, and choose which post gets directed to which affiliate. It's genius if you ask me. For instance, taking this case, you can have one affiliate flowers, and one affiliate for chocolates, etc.

    Again guys, this is a concept, you take it or leave it. It doesn't matter to me what you use this for, but I hope you can find some benefit from it.
     
  15. Rkelly

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    Thanks for sharing this great idea. Keep it up.
     
  16. spikeanut

    spikeanut Registered Member

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    nvm, wrong thread
     
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    This is pretty good but it still does not solve the "weirdness factor". A customer goes to ez-flowers.com or shop.ez-flowers.com and it still winds up at some point redirecting to proflowers or some totally different flower domain. Customers are going to wonder what's up...some of them maybe reentering the URL multiple times to try and buy from ez-flowers.com instead of the site it redirects to.
     
  18. spikeanut

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    Yeah, most customers would. But then, that's where having a big-name affiliate comes in, with the fancy website. The customer must be interested in purchasing the product already, otherwise, they wouldn't visit your site. Once the initial confusion bypasses, they'll see the site for it is, a flower store, and will purchase the products that they came to your site to purchase.
     
  19. mybatsinurbelfry

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    Is it safe to use a subdomain of your posted domain to do this or would it be better to use a completely different domain name?

    ex: supaflowers.c0m ->redirect-> shops.supaflowers.c0m ->pr0flowers

    or

    ex: supaflowers.c0m ->redirect-> supaflowers.comli.c0m ->pr0flowers

    or would it not matter because the affiliate would simply see a redirect from owned domain to owned subdomain and oblivious to the cpa redirector?

    I guess to simplify this q: is there a way for the affiliate screw you by seeing a blank, redirected main page? (supaflowers.c0m)
     
  20. spikeanut

    spikeanut Registered Member

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    According to FleshJoe, affiliate managers sometimes check out a main domain if a sub-domain is used. So, the safe way to do this would be to have another domain. If you want to check it out..I have set up my site already for all the re-directs. ez-flowers.com. I've also checked to make sure the affiliates will only see my storefront site as the referral, and not the additional 'magic numbers.' So far everything working out pretty well, 4x6 flyers on the way.