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There is no sandbox.

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by iquickship, Sep 15, 2010.

  1. iquickship

    iquickship Registered Member

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    From my experience I can say that there is absolutely no "google sandbox".

    I have had 9 new domains, all less than a month old, rank on the first page for some pretty competitive keywords.

    One of my sites is 29 days old and is ranked #1 out of 47,000,000 results.

    Some people might say this is the "reverse sandbox" effect, I would like to mention one of my sites that has been page one in the serps for over a year, was number 8 on the first page within 2 weeks of creation.

    I guess it's possible google may sandbox new sites that are in highly competitive, or fraud ridden niches. However over 2 years I have absolutely never seen any type of new domain sandbox effect.
     
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    Giving us the number of competition for a keyword is no indication of how many backlinks you threw at it or the site has had created!

    The sandbox myth or truth is all based around backlinks! And people say it is due to too many backlinks in a short period of time i.e. looking un-natural!

    Lewi
     
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    buy new domain and drop 1mln xrumer blast, well see if u rank ;)
     
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    I agree I think as long as you are providing value then you will not experience any type of sandbox. It is only when you don't provide what you say or if your site doesn't provide any value for the searcher.

    But I have had similar results to the ones you are describing..
     
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    Make a few adult sites and get about 50 recip links and then tell me there is no sand box :)
     
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    We need debates about the existence of the sandbox about as much as we need more threads arguing about nofollow.
     
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    ive done testing as well and my results were opposite. New sites ranked high than eventually got pushed back into eternity while the aged ones only got stronger, danced around, than stabilized stronger. Not saying sandbox is real or fake, but there are factors at work. if there was "absolutely no "google sandbox" than getting rankings would be as easy as blasting a gazillion links to your site. Come on, give googles algorithm a little more credit than that!
     
  10. iquickship

    iquickship Registered Member

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    Sorry let me clarify, I didn't mean google doesnt penalize sites for backlinks, I have just heard people saying that they know for a fact new domains are ranked lower, and I have found that to be incorrect.
     
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    pirondi Power Member

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    Yes,i already ranked a lot of new domains in the first positions with 1 month of age,90% of people say in seo is things that they heard from another people,and not things that they tested.
     
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    obviously it exists because before the sandbox google was turning into lycos . google has more filters than ever
     
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    OK. So I tell you that, and then what? I've got adult sites with 50+ recip links. Still rank #1-3. And have stayed there since I hit those spots.

    All about QUC. Throw some shit against a wall, some of it sticks. Throw sheetrock glue against a sheetrock wall, though, and all sticks just fine. Targeted content that provides value.

    My experience, at least.
     
  14. Longover

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    In my opinion there is a sandbox. It is a penalty for suspicious link building. You will drop to 600-900, bounce up and down for about 2 weeks, and then either stay up or down at the end of that time period.

    If you don't believe me then give me your url and I'll prove it to you. lol
     
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    imo sandbox exsist based on your backlinks building pattern
     
  16. greenleaf4u

    greenleaf4u BANNED BANNED

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    well I have 20s of different webpages and especialy 1 has ranking 1 to 10 on google and this is adult webpage with dating, and its not even bought:)
    then another on that I bought in may is ranked no9 at the moment on google that also in xxx but it takes me time and im working realy hard to get topranking.
     
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    Where did you find the relation to sandbox and what you wrote?

    I had a major portal sandboxed for 3 months and then released back to page 1-2 (depends on the day).

    Take MANY of clickbank's product launches websites, wait 1-2 months and many of them get sandboxed because of major linking. EXAMPLE? - checkout mobilemonopoly.com - It is sandboxed as of now.

    I have no idea what you are talking about.


     
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    I had a product that I had beeen planning on doing for months. I decided to change my domain for it at the last moment, bought it 2 -3 weeks ago. Then I designed my script carefully and layed out SEO stuff. I took the name of a similar product that was popular put it in my domain. I done onsite SEO for the competitor as well.

    I am not even finished with the site put it up 2 days ago I am #9 for the KW today. I am not convinced that the sandbox as most perceive it actually exists. As the op said if planned properly and structured well you seem to avoid any penalties or mistrust ( that is what I think exist ). How does it help Google to not have the freshest and most relevant content at the top of their results? So how can a sandbox that blocks domains simply because they are new exist? Pirondi gave some great input in my opinion and believe me I just naturally accepted the sandbox as a solid fact of SEO for years and laughed at the first guy who said it does not exist. Three years later after actually testing time and time again I have seen that as most perceive it the sandbox does not exist.

    Good KW Research
    Good onsite SEO
    Quality content
    and you will rank from what I have seen
     
  19. beolion

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    I think the same, sandbox, the effect, filter, means suspicious link building, doesn't matter the value of your site, content. You can have the best site, design but if your link strategy is suspicious for Google your site will be filtered. There are many other factors involved.
     
  20. CyrusVirus

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    for some reason i keep passing this thread up, but anyways, my 2cents on this is that you could possible backlink your way out of the sandbox... if it even exist. i don't think it does anymore but still, someone needs to buy a new domain and throw a million or so xrumer blast and see how it goes.. i may end up doing it in a few weeks