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The true value of PBN domain

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by gman777, Mar 11, 2017.

  1. gman777

    gman777 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    If a PBN has RD= 74, yet it's power juice come only from maybe 5-6, which btw is very common as I checked quite a few domains, wouldn't actually that make the real RD=5 or 6?

    E.g: Why should I buy a domain with huge RD when in reality the link juice is predominant only in a few links?

    Isn't a 10-15 RD pretty much the same?
     
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  2. aidenhera

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    refering domains are important. the more the better. you probably used some crawler that checks only 10% of links or so, how can you tell if only 10 links bring link juice.

    also. even if only 10 links bring "link juice" there are milion other factors these RDs doing. u can be sure u wouldnt rank without them. what i mean is social signals, brand appearance, nofollow/******** contextual links, link diversity, number of refering domains (even if they arent strong)
     
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    Well, of course it depends - if you have 10 low quality referring domains then it's not as powerful as a couple of very strong referring domains.

    But the less referring domains the more risk you are taking that links will be dropped (depending how closely you are rebuilding the site).

    So it's a compromise. Lots of RD is going to be better as a general rule, but if you check the domains backlink profile in detail then you can value it more accurately by the number AND quality of the referring domains.
     
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  4. seoguy81

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    Interesting question, something which I would like to be answered as well. @Nargil input here would be great.
     
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  5. Nargil

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    Sure you want as many HQ links as possible, but as a rule of thumb, according to my pricing, this domain would be $70, depending on TF.

    If it has low number of power links as you say, you can drop it to $50. If it has high number, you can raise it to $100. Even if it had Huffpost and one other "super amazing authority" links, I wouldn't price it above $100. Another factor that you could consider in these cases is how many links point to homepage. If out of 70, only 5 point to homepage, then it's quite meh. And there are plenty domains like that.

    And of course, there's shit link and then there's shit link. How bed is the rest? If it's at least some forums or no-name contextual links, then those still hold power. Plus there's shittons of links that you will see only in GWT etc. So if the domain has at least 10% of power links, as in your case, then it's pretty decent. If there's 1 link that gives it TF and rest is just shit from link sections, then that's a no no.

    I admit I am tad drunk now, but the pricing comes with a practice. And in the end, we can price all we want if we won't get a buyer for the price. Market will tell you the price eventually. :)
     
  6. starki

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    Another thing to keep in mind: Over time, some links get deleted, not too many, but it happens. The less links on domain level, the less powerful links, the more the loss of one or a few hurts. So, higher RD gives you some redundancy.
     
  7. Leith

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    I get what you mean :)

    But when it comes to purchasing domains, you have a higher chance of getting a stronger domain if you specify a higher RD. If you ask for a RD 50 domain, there is a strong chance that you'll get a good variety of authority links in the backlink profile for that domain. However, if you ask for a RD 10 domain, the probability that you'll have many authority links in that domain's backlink profile is less (due to fewer referring domains).

    You could work around this by being more specific when purchasing domains. You could maybe ask for RD 50+ but specify you want at least 5 backlinks from the domain to be of a certain TF or DR. This would obviously get you better quality domains, but this also increases the workload for the guy selling you the domains so as a result the price will most likely go up.
     
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  8. Pinktoe

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    Having more RD drastically increases the likely-hood of having a good link profile, like previously mentioned by others

    If you were to go to domcop, for example, and went through (on ahrefs/majestics) 50 domains with 90-50 RD, and then 50 domains with 50-10 RD (with other common sense filters), make notes of the ones you would use.

    The difference is night and day.
     
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    do I read from the experts who posted here, that for selecting a PBN domain, you care the most about RD metric? more than TF/CF ratio?
     
  10. Pinktoe

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    I am not an expert by any means, the other people that have commented here have a lot more experience, but I do test all of my domains.

    My strongest, by far, from these tests, used to be a mommy blog, it has only 3 tf. It has 70 rd, the majority of the power links come from other mommy blogs - from their home pages, to my home page.
     
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    I also do tests and my strongest domain has a RD of only 15 links! While other domains with 50+ or 100+ were no match for this domain. My second strongest had a TF of about 10 and 10 RD! Both these sites would rank a low comp kw in page 1 with no backlinks! While other domains with much bigger RD and TF would rank a similar post in page 5 or 6 LOL! So agree with original post. Its nothing to do with number of RD but actually the quality of the domain. Also, my tests showed that my strongest domains had the highest Moz Rank (with natural clean backlink profile) and not necessarily TF!
     
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    Yes its rd and tf. Cf doesnt matter. Also topical flow. Of course you wouldnt sell pet stuff on a site that has topical flow about finance.
     
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  13. Pinktoe

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    Do you also test your outgoing links?

    In my case, my strongest looks terrible on Moz (14 DA etc. lol).

    In my opinion, for evaluating a domain at face value, metrics are completely worthless, unreliable, and misleading.

    Their only use for me is to act as a filter, so you can make better use of your time when hunting for premium domains.

    In my case, RD is my favorite filter. I'm considerably more likely to find domains with good links if I ignore <30 RD domains, despite there being some that I might miss.

     
  14. gamejump

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    hey guys i have a query can you please tell me
    how to find the expired domain is blacklisted in google so i avoid purchasing that

    Please answer it thanks
     
  15. hardcorebiker

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    Its common because those are weak domains and finding strong domains take a lot of work and to aquire them you need to spend a bit more. Just focusing on RD number blindly isnt a good idea either. You should be looking for domains with lots of authority "contextual" links not just high RD domain with lots of forum links, blogspot and 4 authority links
     
  16. drogon

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    Ha well there you go, Moz (mean actual mozrank value 0 to 9.99 and not DA), TF, RD are all third party indicators and guessing at best. Even judging what is a quality link between two clean sites (exculding the usual web 2.0, forum or blog comment links etc) is also guessing unless you actually test the domains against each other to rank easy keywords with no links....or also as you suggested test out going links. otherwise unless you work for big G then you are just making up your own best guess metrics as to what is a strong domain.