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The F*ck is wrong with Death By Captcha

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO Tools' started by jb2008, May 10, 2012.

  1. jb2008

    jb2008 Senior Member

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    Right now I am getting solve times of 78 seconds, seventy-eight seconds!!! And out of 1000 captchas sent, 300 were rejected. That costs me a shitload of money and time because now I have to run again OR settle for less links. This isn't at their daily 10 minute maintenance period, it's just because they are shit!

    I propose in the interests of FAIRNESS that their sales copy on their homepage be changed from the following:

    An incredible low price of $1.39 for 1000 solved CAPTCHAs.

    to

    We charge approx 20% VAT on all orders for all european users. That means approximate cost of $1.67. Then, since our actual solve rate is about 65%, our real cost per 1000 solved CAPTCHAs is (1 / 0.65) x $1.67 = $2.57 .

    Note that this is almost double the advertised cost, and it's what people pay IN REALITY. $1.39 is only a fantasy price. In more negative language, it is an outright LIE. The only people who profit from their shitty captcha solve rates are deathbycaptcha themselves. They don't even bother to get a freaking payment processor which does not charge VAT, so we have to pay VAT for CAPTCHAs (what the hell).

    Then comes their constant FAILING . They are ALWAYS conking out these days. So unreliable and service is so often in overload with ridiculous solve times and huge CAPTCHA rejections.

    So they should change the following sales copy from:

    An average response time of 17 seconds, with an average accuracy rate of 90% or more. And you always pay for correctly solved CAPTCHA only!

    to

    Our response times often go up to 100 seconds and our service is very often in overload, this means a lot of your CAPTCHAs will be rejected and your postings will fail as a result. We do not pay for this so it costs you money, but we don't give a shit so you can suck our VAT charging sweaty indian manual captcha typer balls. Our actual accuracy rate varies from 60 to 70% but you will get charged for our advertised accuracy rate of around 95%. This is because we have no way of knowing from your software which CAPTCHAs were correct or not. That means you always pay for incorrect CAPTCHAs!


    I am not trying to take a shit on DBC here. If you look at my changes to their sales copy above they are actually reflections of the TRUTH rather than the LIES on their website. I use their service often because they are better than captchabot which has success of about 10-20% and is basically a piece of dog shit. CAPTCHA services these days are like being stuck between a rock and a hard place. CAPTCHA SNIPER was a nice idea, but it is not stable to use 24/7 and WILL cause RAM overload / freeze your server from some error or another.
     
  2. BigFatWallet

    BigFatWallet Power Member

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    I am not sure why you are getting such low success rate with them.

    Here are my stats for today and yesterday -


    CAPTCHAs correctly solved:

    Today: 5982
    Yesterday: 23934

    CAPTCHAs reported as incorrect:
    Today: 15
    Yesterday: 72
     
  3. plantacja

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    I think you dont get it :)

    It doesnt matter what they say.. or what they show you as "stats" .. the only thing matters is how much money dbs eats :) .. just do a 1k website run (1 captcha per site).. so it should cost you $1.3 in theory.. but in reality you will say.. WTF.. where is my money :) .. DBS counts ALL captchas as solved correctly.. only timedout captchas are checked as incorrect..
     
  4. KevinA

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    Thats something I though a while back too - theres no real transparency or method of checking if your are only being charged for the successfully solved captchas.
    And their payment system blood sux at the best of times.
     
  5. JESSCON

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    Well think they are crap. When I was running tweet attack $10 would last me 1 day from death by captcha but on decaptcha it would last 3 days running the same campaigns and using the same settings. Death-by-captcha did not work for me so I spend the little extra for decaptcha
     
  6. howard_hughes

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    It's THEIR STATS. They're no where accurate.

    I get more than 10% captcha errors almost always. even after claiming bad captchas, they never show more than 10-20 bad captchas on my stats. wierd.

     
  7. trustedfire9

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    i faced problems with them too ...
     
  8. jb2008

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    Yes, their stats only really report CAPTCHAs that cannot be solved on their end. They have NO way of knowing whether the CAPTCHA they have submitted is actually correct or not. For example, a manual captcha typer can type "hairy ballsack" as a response, and you WILL be charged for it. In many cases the OCR does not recognize special characters and so a response which should be ?3+4s@ will just be 34s . Again, you will be charged for that. Basically, you are charged for EVERYTHING it sends to you. THAT is what determines a 'success' for their stats.

    Previously there were some manual captcha typers who saw through this error and typed "None" for the recaptcha response every time. The people who trusted DBC's bullshit on their website got charged for incorrect CAPTCHAs, while the manual typers got paid for pasting "None" repeatedly. It took weeks of me pestering their customer support to find and get rid of that jackass who was doing that. If I hadn't meticulously watched their CAPTCHA responses like a hawk, I wouldn't have seen any of these errors. It's not entertaining to check responses to CAPTCHAs, but it is necessary. Also to test link submission success rates of CAPTCHA services versus your own manual CAPTCHA typing success rates, but most people wouldn't want to type thousands of CAPTCHAs. I've done that and DBC is 60-70% success. So if you're in Europe also paying 20% VAT, you're getting charged over $2.50 per 1000 solved CAPTCHAs.

    That's why I think DBC should change what they write on their website because it's a pack of lies.

    The following should be mentioned clearly:

    1. 60-70% success rate (not 90+ or whatever bullshit they currently say)
    2. Frequent overloads, system failures
    3. Manual solvers who sometimes write one word instead of two on recaptcha (about 10-20% of the time), and the occasional jackass who writes gibberish
    4. OCR not able to recognize certain special characters quite common in captchas
    5. VAT for European users (due to shitty payment processor)
    6. Effective cost per 1000 correct captchas approximately $2.50


    I have had to simply find ways of reducing my captcha expenditure as my budget was based on $1.39 but this has ballooned to $2.57. Basically Death by Captcha has been getting free money off you and me for as long as we've been using them. Because the captcha credits are being used so quickly, you need to refill more often, = more money for them and their lies.
     
  9. expresseo

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    Decaptcha is best when it come to automatic captcha solver
     
  10. portugalkix

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    DeathByCaptcha is cheap. Pay cheap and get what you pay.
     
  11. jb2008

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    $2.50 ain't cheap. $1.39 is fairly cheap, but that's not their price.
     
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    Hi Guys,

    - Regarding our recent issues:

    We were experiencing some connectivity problems that were affecting our workers recently (Yesterday morning and during Today's midnight, Eastern Time). This caused a severe image overflow and thus very high solving times and lots of rejections.

    The problem has been fixed and the service is working fine again.

    I sincerely apologize for the inconveniences.

    P.S: Anyone who has been severely affected by this, please PM me. I'll check on your account, study your particular case and try to give you a compensation.

    - Regarding our success rates:

    Our success rates are calculated based on our users reports.

    If you mark a CAPTCHA as incorrectly solved, you won't be billed for it it and it will be reflected on your performance statistics.

    There are two ways to mark a CAPTCHA as incorrect:

    A) Through your software. Your software MUST have a ''Report as incorrect'' feature.

    B) Though our website, by clicking on ''Mark as incorrect result'' --> http://deathbycaptcha.eu/user/captchas (you have to be logged). There you can see all the CAPTCHA images that you're sending and the responses we're giving back to you within an hour.

    - Regarding VAT charges:

    You could contact Avangate.com Support in order to try to get rid of this charge (here).

    Please note that we do not have anything to do with this charge, as it is a policy of our payment processor (which although is affiliate to us to process our payments, is a completely independent entity).

    If you're not satisfied with Avangate.com, you could try ordering our Plimus.com, Liberty Reserve or WebMoney packages.

    - Regarding CAPTCHA consumption:

    Please note that we only decode and therefore charge you for the CAPTCHAs that you send us through your software/our website.

    You should also consider that some sites just doesn't allow to bypass a form within the first CAPTCHA try, so it isn't always accurate to literally state ''1000 CAPTCHA credits = 1000 successful submissions''.

    - Regarding our Human Solvers:

    We're continuously educating our workers in order to deliver you guys the best possible results = )

    Please note that even thou we're working hard to punish/eradicate their misbehaviors , they're after all humans and therefore they'll make some mistakes in occasions.


    @JESSCON
    That software was malfunctioning with our service because our API wasn't properly implemented into it. They fixed the issue by one of their updates, so I'd strongly recommend you to update it to the latest version.

    If you please, you can PM me your DBC username and I'll credit your account with some testing credits, so that you don't have to take my word for it ;)

    Best Regards,
    James L.
     
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    Same problem with me. I created accounts and i got 6 accounts and in my death by captcha account i can see 151 resolved captchas :O
    Definitely Will try different service.
     
  14. svabb2000

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    I have to agree i have been haveing huge problems with DBC for the last 3 days...especially today when i got a succes rate of about 10% instead of 90%+ as stated on their website...and ofcourse i used lots of my credits without result.

    In conclusion im really considering changein providers as im already behind schedule with my clients due to this "downtime" as you can not call it any other way.

    Unless DBC actually improves their sercvices im gonna be one of those that dont advise you to use em because of the price they supose to charge.
     
  15. Danny1111

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    I clicked the button on my software to reclaim bad captchas after reading this thread
    and I noticed today I had less than 30% success rate on one run I did.

    hard to get good service these days.
     
  16. spoon22

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    Just reclaim bad images and you don't pay to much for their service. I can confirm that their success rate is not as high as they claim...i get around 70%
     
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    yeah my success rate is down too:( i guess you get what you pay for..
     
  18. Master-x

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    decaptcher is always better with success rate for me too
     
  19. jb2008

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    James L:

    1. Of course, most software is not able to tell incorrect CAPTCHA. Also, when you are submitting 1000s of CAPTCHAs per day, it's impossible to manually go through each CAPTCHA and report incorrect. I propose instead you decrease your price to reflect your ACTUAL success rate, of about 60-70%. More people on this thread are reporting such actual success rates.

    2. You should change your payment processor to one which does not charge VAT. Avangate and Plimus both charge VAT. Liberty reserve and Webmoney are not viable for most western people as they cost money in the conversion. For example I can change GBP to WMZ but it will cost me 25% to do so, which is more than UK VAT. So you should find a payment method which doesn't charge EU people VAT which they can easily access.

    3. Your recent issues never stop. There are always problems. But please note, the actual DBC success rate of 60-70% is when DBC is up and running well. 60-70% is NOT including your down times.

    4. Of course, I am not talking about successful submissions. I am talking CORRECT CAPTCHAs. This is 60-70% . I did not ask DBC to guarantee successful submissions or anything like that, this is the job of the software and depends on the website. All you should guarantee is accuracy of CAPTCHAs.


    So despite your post, people in EU are still paying $2.57 per 1000 correct CAPTCHAs. This is the price you should advertise on your site. USA people will pay 20% less but that is still around $2, much more than the 1.39 you advertise.


    Oh well, at least it's better than 10% success rate of captcha bot. The market really is crying out for a reliable and honest captcha service.
     
  20. Ranko Jones

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    Whats wrong with it?

    Filipinos probably having been up for days on methamphetamine. Cut them a lil slack.