The biggest problem in BHW is the lack of real, legitimate reviews and too many free positive reviews

It's quite obvious that majority of the services here are nowhere close to what they're being advertised as, largely due to the fact that posting a negative review comes with no incentives for the user other than improving the health of the forum which they have no personal gain from.

This is further exacerbated by the fact that plenty of people are either friends with posters or have their customers spam their forum posts with positive reviews every month, creating a perception of an effective service.

Not to mention the fact that if you do write a negative review, then the thread owner can write factually false statements about your experience to which you cannot respond to as you're allowed to write only 1 comment in the thread when it comes to anything negative.

Also thread owners most often will spam and threaten you if you write anything less than perfect in their threads. Most people just don't want this and would rather walk away without the stress which doesn't profit them personally.

Practices which very obviously ruin the integrity of the platform and are forbidden in anywhere serious are openly allowed here.

Out of 10 services I've bought here, only 2 have been good by delivering what they've promised but the majority have been very low quality or borderline scams, such as portraying spam forum links as some sort of new kind of special backlinks but this fact never gets visibility because the thread owner gives out "review" copies like hot cakes as the forum posts are so cheap to make; and I've yet to see a single negative review of a free copy in any thread.

All in all, I think majority of the services in BHW are terrible and for the quality of what's being offered, in multitudes more expensive than other platforms from which you can buy or negotiate SEO services.
I don't think this is healthy for the platform and will only bleed users away.

Just my two cents.

All services are checked when added by a mod if you got a compliant as written and said on every service report to a mod.

Know stop fucking moaning and earn money.

Learn what your trying to hire, stop being lazy.

Do it yourself.

Or if hiring someone you get what you pay for all the services on here are all very cheap don't expect a lot.

If you want top jobs contact the service owner and there charge you real money like $80 per hour approx to do some premium work for you.

All services are discounted heavily for forum users.

They're not the public price be warned.

If you can prove that the reviews are made up or frauded please report to mod.

There 100% help you.

Any problems you find report to the staff don't bitch live(( no one likes a snitch.)) In public forum

Respect your post but reporting to a mod of been better than bitching about forum services.

There are a few people on this forum who leave positive reviews on review copies - no matter what. I have talked with one of them and he also knows that some sellers re-sell cheap crappy Fiverr gigs, but he still keeps writing positive reviews to get more free stuff

Banalytical said:

It's quite obvious that majority of the services here are nowhere close to what they're being advertised as, largely due to the fact that posting a negative review comes with no incentives for the user other than improving the health of the forum which they have no personal gain from.

This is further exacerbated by the fact that plenty of people are either friends with posters or have their customers spam their forum posts with positive reviews every month, creating a perception of an effective service.

Not to mention the fact that if you do write a negative review, then the thread owner can write factually false statements about your experience to which you cannot respond to as you're allowed to write only 1 comment in the thread when it comes to anything negative.

Also thread owners most often will spam and threaten you if you write anything less than perfect in their threads. Most people just don't want this and would rather walk away without the stress which doesn't profit them personally.

Practices which very obviously ruin the integrity of the platform and are forbidden in anywhere serious are openly allowed here.

Out of 10 services I've bought here, only 2 have been good by delivering what they've promised but the majority have been very low quality or borderline scams, such as portraying spam forum links as some sort of new kind of special backlinks but this fact never gets visibility because the thread owner gives out "review" copies like hot cakes as the forum posts are so cheap to make; and I've yet to see a single negative review of a free copy in any thread.

All in all, I think majority of the services in BHW are terrible and for the quality of what's being offered, in multitudes more expensive than other platforms from which you can buy or negotiate SEO services.
I don't think this is healthy for the platform and will only bleed users away.

Just my two cents.

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Buying 10 services doesn't translate to majority. It doesn't make sense when you rope all other services in the marketplace together as bad because you felt 8 out of 10 didn't satisfy you.

There are ways to handle not too good experience. The shit list is there and until you make use of it, you are not contributing anything healthy and positive to the marketplace either.

You don't expect the community to take you serious with a blanket criticism that leave everyone in dark as to what your experiences with sellers were

The majority means more than half of a total number, you even not checked 0.1% of the sales thread here.

if its so bad why'd you try ten....

OP does have a valid point with reviews.
I would personally also appreciate more detailed reviews on sales threads. Not just a rosey review, but more details such as: What was good, what could be improved, who could benefit from this type of service the most, etc.
I know some users give great honest reviews, but as OP stated, most can't be bothered to spend time getting into details.

TheOverlord said:

if its so bad why'd you try ten....

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That's how you learn to buy the right service?

When one gets a review copy his or her job is to see what the bst is offering, is the seller giving him or her the same thing if yes then that’s what should be written. However if a review copy is about a 10k guest post but gets 2k Guest post and says he got a 10k traffic guest posts then that’s wrong. The review copy guy cannot be bothered about whether it’s cheap or not or someone is sell it at a lower price, cause the review copy is about the service not about the price. Also if you order and don’t like something use report button, mods will investigate it.

There you go. Anyone with half a brain cell can see what you are saying is a hundred percent true. Look, the sellers and their lapdogs are already here, attacking you. Expect a lot more bullying, they are very organized and they dont like anyone fucking with their interest. The quality check of the bsts is also a joke, only capable of filtering out sellers who just downright want to scam and dont even have a product. Obviously that is good starting point, but it shouldn't be called a quapity check - it gives a false sense of security.

redarrow said:

All services are checked when added by a mod if you got a compliant as written and said on every service report to a mod.

Know stop fucking moaning and earn money.


Any problems you find report to the staff don't bitch live(( no one likes a snitch.)) In public forum

Respect your post but reporting to a mod of been better than bitching about forum services.

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Surely it's not complicated to understand that mod reviewed posts are not representative of what users themselves will be experiencing.

I'm not sure what would your personal opinion of my possible "laziness" would have anything to do with third party services?

You think that people should not "snitch" on bad services? I simply disagree.
If anything, it should be the other way around - the discussion should be most of all about services which don't provide their advertised and manufactured perception to the clients.
I think 10 forum spam posts are not worth $100.

BimTop said:

Buying 10 services doesn't translate to majority. It doesn't make sense when you rope all other services in the marketplace together as bad because you felt 8 out of 10 didn't satisfy you.

There are ways to handle not too good experience. The shit list is there and until you make use of it, you are not contributing anything healthy and positive to the marketplace either.

You don't expect the community to take you serious with a blanket criticism that leave everyone in dark as to what your experiences with sellers were

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Making a claim that I cannot make potentially accurate predictions based on previous experience is a null statement.
For anyone to satisfy your needs of necessary adequate data would need to buy tens of thousands of services in this forum.

Shit list is for scamming, not for below average service experience.
If customers cannot determine who's providing a good service and who's providing a bad service, then they will go on a platform where they can do that.

If your experience on this platform is so exceptionally different from mine that you need a detailed review of my every action here then there's nothing else to do here but to agree to disagree.

Mr Positive said:

When one gets a review copy his or her job is to see what the bst is offering, is the seller giving him or her the same thing if yes then that’s what should be written. However if a review copy is about a 10k guest post but gets 2k Guest post and says he got a 10k traffic guest posts then that’s wrong. The review copy guy cannot be bothered about whether it’s cheap or not or someone is sell it at a lower price, cause the review copy is about the service not about the price. Also if you order and don’t like something use report button, mods will investigate it.

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You still leave positive reviews on review copies while you know 90% of those sites are re-sold from $5 Fiverr gigs being sold for $xxx on BHW.

If we have star rating or some sort of metrics for all sales threads, it can make sense for buyers to choose the good one. Currently, I feel that the identification of best services is hard in blackhatworld.

sadly this is very true, and many people do fall for such things and lose huge amounts sometimes,
the thing that BHW mods can't stop such thing as they can't filter out the shitty ones as there's no set definition for the "quality", so they only rely on some metrics which are pure bullshit in most cases,
another thing that it's not in favour for bhw as a business to stop such sale threads as they bring the bucks,

as a buyer, filtering such services can be really taught sometimes,
making a list to test X number of top-rated (not fake reviews, but nominations from trusted members) and testing each of them separately can cost some good numbers, but it's really worth it

there was supposed to be an upgrade to marketplace with new BHW update, but it never happened. If it continues like this BHW marketplace will soon go Warrior Forum way

Blackhat Lifter said:

You still leave positive reviews on review copies while you know 90% of those sites are re-sold from $5 Fiverr gigs being sold for $xxx on BHW.

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First of all where’s the thank you for removing you from the ignore list final warning don’t go grey again.

as I keep telling you I’m not a fiver expert, neither can I bother myself to see what review copy sells there for.

Review copy is he gives me a link as per his bst, if it matches what he sells I’ll post my review, if it doesn’t matches I’ll speak with him or inform the mods.

The price is not my concern as the seller should fix it and mods have known to bring it down as per metrics.

PS taking a dig at my reviews because of this price is not only stupid but insulting to the market place too. If I write something which is not as per his bst sure report but how can I sit and compare prices as that’s not what a review copy is about.

@Zwielicht @BassTrackerBoats need your clarification on this because as a review copy taker I write review based on the bst, and not based on what it sells for in other Places am I wrong or do you suggest review copy takers search for other places because in that case why would we use the market place then at least that’s my logic

but maybe you can step in and explain am I wrong cause I take my review copies seriously and I refuse to be called out for this as price is between seller, marketplace mods and not for review copy taker to comment on as our task is to comment on what’s delivered as per the bst.

I'm surprised.
I found many great sellers here. Of course, for a content gig, if you want a native US to write an ebook for 1$, you will get fake sellers.

Of course, there are fakes reviews, like everywhere (amazon....). Read the reviews of Senior members, with >2k of posts, it's enough. Those ppl won't waste time to write fake reviews.
In fact, like all IM, need to be smart.

alexio said:

Read the reviews of Senior members, with >2k of posts, it's enough. Those ppl won't waste time to write fake reviews.

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Yes, they do, more than anyone else. It's in their best interest to make their connections stronger with the right people, so the amount of ass-kissing of those so called "established" members are unbelievable.

alexio said:

I'm surprised.
I found many great sellers here. Of course, for a content gig, if you want a native US to write an ebook for 1$, you will get fake sellers.

Of course, there are fakes reviews, like everywhere (amazon....). Read the reviews of Senior members, with >2k of posts, it's enough. Those ppl won't waste time to write fake reviews.
In fact, like all IM, need to be smart.

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Time is more important than money, I will pay somewhere more money which saves me time going through multiple pages of thread

Mr Positive said:

Review copy is he gives me a link as per his bst, if it matches what he sells I’ll post my review, if it doesn’t matches I’ll speak with him or inform the mods.

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If it does not match the review should still go up and say it does not match.

A review copy response should be a public response and not making it public is not an honest review.

Banalytical said:

Shit list is for scamming, not for below average service experience.

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The Shit List section is for if you don't get what you paid for. If a seller offers something that's not up to the standard advertised, you can open a shit list against them.

Banalytical said:

You think that people should not "snitch" on bad services? I simply disagree.
If anything, it should be the other way around - the discussion should be most of all about services which don't provide their advertised and manufactured perception to the clients.
I think 10 forum spam posts are not worth $100.

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Buyers should definitely report bad services.

There's a message at the bottom of every review that specifically tells buyers that if they don't receive the product or service the at or above the standards the moderator received it, they should send in a report or open a shit list.

hideath said:

the thing that BHW mods can't stop such thing as they can't filter out the shitty ones as there's no set definition for the "quality"

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There is a set definition for it. I wrote up lengthy instructions for the marketplace moderators to review every type of service.

hideath said:

so they only rely on some metrics which are pure bullshit in most cases,

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We don't rely on third-party metrics to review services as those metrics are easily manipulated; we review services based on what they offer.

As an example, if a PBN is going to claim it's footprint-free, we're going to hold that service to that claim. If we find a footprint, the PBN gets rejected.

On the other hand, if they do advertise a specific third-party metric, we check that anyway, but we don't rely on it for the reviews.

ranga said:

there was supposed to be an upgrade to marketplace with new BHW update, but it never happened. If it continues like this BHW marketplace will soon go Warrior Forum way

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Marketplace 2.0 is still being developed, although I don't have the ETA. However, I just got an updated from the CTO on Monday about it. He's been showing the rest of the team and I previews of it for weeks now as well.

crissdinesh said:

If we have star rating or some sort of metrics for all sales threads, it can make sense for buyers to choose the good one. Currently, I feel that the identification of best services is hard in blackhatworld.

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I tested this years ago, and it just causes too much of a headache. All sellers want 5 stars and they all claim that anything less than 5 stars "hurts their sales". I had a colour-coding system a while back (some of you might remember the teal, green, yellow, and red reviews), although I discontinued that a while back.

However, if I recall correctly, there will be some sort of rating system in Marketplace 2.0 that we've been working on, so we'll see how that goes this time around.

hideath said:

another thing that it's not in favour for bhw as a business to stop such sale threads as they bring the bucks,

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Approving a garbage service for $30 is not worth tanking the reputation of the forum. If a garbage service does make it through, it just means that one of us ends up having to spends loads of our time reviewing the complaints, handling the shit lists, cleaning up the BSTs themselves, and responding to threads complaining about it. This costs us hours of our time, takes us away from other issues, and costs the forum owner money. The forum is a business, and nobody is hiding that, but some things just aren't worth it.