[Suggestion] ID verification for sellers

leechesBleechin · Apr 15, 2021

fb3003 said:
if they are not breaking rules and laws, why would they care about ID & bank account verification?

if you are making money, shouldn't you verify who you are and give a sense of security to your buyers. when was the last time you heard a story that a buyer got cheated on ebay and ebay did not step in and make it right and nuked the seller?

I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I'm just bringing another perspective.

Dark Sky · Apr 15, 2021

leechesBleechin said:
It's kind of short-sighted no? Very few marketplace threads are breaking any rules or laws, But that doesn't mean they aren't targets of hostile businesses and overzealous legal teams.

Fiverr and Upwork do this? Why not BHW? Not short sighted, I don't have any issue at all providing ID. I'm from the UK so I'm most vulnerable to get targeted by UK authorities, and I don't have any worries at all with it..

leechesBleechin · Apr 15, 2021

Dark Sky said:
Fiverr and Upwork do this? Why not BHW? Not short sighted, I don't have any issue at all providing ID. I'm from the UK so I'm most vulnerable to get targeted by UK authorities, and I don't have any worries at all with it..

You all seem to think my perspective nullifies the whole idea of providing an ID. This is not the case. It's just a side effect that one has to think about when implementing the system.

Edit: Too clarify, I'm not arguing for or against.

fb3003 · Apr 15, 2021

calling @Diamond Damien to white courtesy phone. would appreciate your thoughts on this.

if such verification system gets implemented, I will be the first in line to verify myself and my bank account, even though I am not a seller.

Dark Sky · Apr 15, 2021

leechesBleechin said:
You all seem to think my perspective nullifies the whole idea of providing an ID. This is not the case. It's just a side effect that one has to think about when implementing the system.

Edit: Too clarify, I'm not arguing for or against.

I'd be for it personally, especially after seeing how many are voting no without debating. That's extremely concerning.

leechesBleechin · Apr 15, 2021

Dark Sky said:
I'd be for it personally, especially after seeing how many are voting no without debating. That's extremely concerning.

Lots of people here don't have ID's or don't exist in the normal sense of the term. I'm sure a few of them would vote no without debate.

Dark Sky · Apr 15, 2021

leechesBleechin said:
Lots of people here don't have ID's or don't exist in the normal sense of the term. I'm sure a few of them would vote no without debate.

To be fair you can't make a claim like that based on nothing as part of the debate. People don't have an issue doing it on fiverr or upwork. The model works, it's a proven model.

leechesBleechin · Apr 15, 2021

Dark Sky said:
To be fair you can't make a claim like that based on nothing as part of the debate. People don't have an issue doing it on fiverr or upwork. The model works, it's a proven model.

Well, you might be right, I can't speak for others. I do not have an ID though. So I can speak for myself.

fb3003 · Apr 15, 2021

leechesBleechin said:
Lots of people here don't have ID's or don't exist in the normal sense of the term. I'm sure a few of them would vote no without debate.

we have sellers from a nomad tribe?

Dark Sky · Apr 15, 2021

leechesBleechin said:
Well, you might be right, I can't speak for others. I do not have an ID though. So I can speak for myself.

But if you had a successful service, you would order one right to verify?

leechesBleechin · Apr 15, 2021

fb3003 said:
we have sellers from a nomad tribe?

I don't doubt it, I don't sell in the market place though so I can't really have an opinion on it that matters in this debate.

Dark Sky said:
But if you had a successful service, you would order one right to verify?

Yes, quite possibly I would attempt to register for a Real ID in that case.

fb3003 · Apr 15, 2021

leechesBleechin said:
Well, you might be right, I can't speak for others. I do not have an ID though. So I can speak for myself.

how can any one not have an id in this day and age?! you don't have a bank account?

leechesBleechin · Apr 15, 2021

fb3003 said:
how can any one not have an id in this day and age?! you don't have a bank account?

Bank accounts are a human right in Canada and there are institutions here that will give them to you without ID yes.

MKSKS · Apr 15, 2021

fb3003 said:
if you are legit, why wouldn't you want to get verified? what are you hiding?

Dark Sky said:
I don't get why people are voting no?

Dark Sky said:
I don't have any issues with it at all.

fb3003 said:
if sellers are not breaking the rules, then why should they care? ebay has everything on their sellers. has that stopped their business?

It's not always about hiding, I just don't feel it safe to share my ID details.
I avoid sharing it on most websites, unless it's something like Paypal which I can't avoid.
Do you guarantee it will be safe to share your Id online?

Dark Sky · Apr 15, 2021

MKSKS said:
It's not always about hiding, I just don't feel it safe to share my ID details.
I avoid sharing it on most websites, unless it's something like Paypal which I can't avoid.
Do you guarantee it will be safe to share your Id online?

Considering BHW comply with UK regulations, which I know are pretty tight because I'm from the UK, then yes I feel perfectly safe.

R4v3nbl4ck · Apr 15, 2021

I don't sell anything here but I think this is a great idea.

leechesBleechin said:
Well, you might be right, I can't speak for others. I do not have an ID though. So I can speak for myself.

How can you not have an ID? Do you have a drivers license, passport or any other official document that proves your identity?

MKSKS · Apr 15, 2021

Dark Sky said:
Considering BHW comply with UK regulations, which I know are pretty tight because I'm from the UK, then yes I feel perfectly safe.

That's your opinion I am not from UK and even if I was I would still avoid it.
Unless there's a solid guarantee that my data is safe.

andyframpton · Apr 15, 2021

I get what you are saying and trying to make the marketplace safer but it would be worked around.

Would the owner of this thread have to submit ID?
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/p...rawal-remove-limit-from-paypal-easily.458362/

Dark Sky · Apr 15, 2021

andyframpton said:
I get what you are saying and trying to make the marketplace safer but it would be worked around.

Would the owner of this thread have to submit ID?
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/paypal-solutions-send-receive-withdrawal-remove-limit-from-paypal-easily.458362/

Let's ask him.

@secondeye what's your input?

MKSKS · Apr 15, 2021

Implementation of an escrow like system should be higher priority. It will fix a lot of issues mostly in the shitlist section.

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