Study: Early Marijuana Use May Increase Brain Damage

ratdaddee said:
I personally, do not feel the need to get high, unless it was medically necessary.
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Not bashing, BUT...you have never done anything to make yourself "feel better, maybe even euphoric, without being "medically necessary"?

I find that hard to beleive.

Have you ever enjoyed an alcohol buzz?

Ever get a "coffee high"?

Do you ever call up an old friend/relative because you know it will make you fell better talking to them?

Do you only eat a comfort foods because it is "medically necessary"?

When you were a kid did you enjoy spinning until you got dizzy?(Where was the medical necessity?)

....There are SO many examples of this - your brain releases endorphins whenever you think pleasant thoughts, eat pleasant foods, or do anything that is pleasurable. (Laughing should be OUTLAWED!!!)

Why do people like you not see that most of what we do as humans is to seek pleasure and that you are no different than anyone else in this measure?

So the next time you are saying to someone.."Oh MY GOD, this tastes AMAZING" just realize YOU ARE GETTING HIGH and it is NO different, except for the laws of man, than someone enjoying natures bounty however it pleases them.
 
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Dazzler said:
Are you fucking retarded? Why dont you list the steps of growing an orange tree and the steps of growing marijuana? It might not be super difficult, but it sure as hell isnt like growing an orange tree. You dont just plant a seed and let it grow.

How am i hypocritical? Just because I smoke weed and know that its not all fun and games and I can see the bad side to it? Your a fucking idiot you know?
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This will be my last post to you because of your juvenile petty name calling.

Yes you can just plant pot seeds and they will grow(I can't believe I have to make this obvious statement - I wonder how the plant grew and evolved on it's own for hundreds of thousands of years before man propagated it (or any plant for that matter)?

You have a lot of hostility for the points you are making.

Anger is usually a sign that tells the thinking man it's time to re-evaluate my own beliefs.

I hope you can see the obvious "RED FLAGS" in your thinking here.
 
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Dazzler said:
Im not anyone to tell anyone what to do, but like I said, people are dumbasses and we absolutely do need to be told what we can or cant do otherwise the world would be even more chaos then it already is. The fact is by doing whatever you want, say for example you get completely fucking baked beyond max and you go out driving, your putting other peoples lives at risk as well as your own. Now do I think you would do that? no, as a lot of people are smart about that, most people dont even smoke enough at one time to get to that stage, but theres a lot of people who are dumbasses and do such things, and they are over confident in their ability to handle themselves, overconfidence kills. Not everyone can handle themselves as good as you might be able to, which is where the problem lies.

I get you completely on pharm drugs are bad, but say you get an infection in your dick you think weeds gonna cure you? No, your going to be begging for levaquin or something similar which most anti biotics are known to have similar side effects. A lot of these pharm drugs are bad, but I sure as fuck will take levaquin for a dick infection and risk it then sit and let the infection spread and die. Weed cant replace everything, and especially not most pharm drugs, they sure as hell wouldnt be out of business. And they might not be able to patent a plant but since when are meds patented, theres tons of variations of a lot of pharm drugs.

I personally think weed being illegal right now is just better. Think about it, its easy as shit to get anyway so if you want to smoke it you can get it really easy, but because its illegal people are much more careful about it when going out, they dont get super fucked and go out because they're scared of getting caught which is good.
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You have SO many misconceptions and completely incorrect "facts" here you really need to educate yourself on the subject.

Don't ask us to do it for you, but you are factually wrong on SO many things here.

You cannot expect BHW'ers to get you through so much incorrect information.

You should stick to things you actually know something about.
 
Dazzler said:
Because those do anything even remotely close to weed?
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Based on what?


You call me a douche bag, I think its you who started with the petty name calling yeah? What do you think kind of reaction your going to get to that?

I just think next time you comment on someones post you can start off by disagreeing and saying why nicely rather then calling them a name yeah?
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I am sorry you are right about that.

There is just SO MUCH WRONG with how you see this 1 tiny part of changing someones enjoyment factor that it disturbed me to the point of calling you a d-bag, I am sorry and retract that.

STILL you have A LOT seriously wrong beliefs (as in factually incorrect) about cannabis that it boggles my mind.


It seems like you are passionate enough to learn the facts...I hope you do.
 
Let's stay impartial here without negativisms. NotTheDude is right with the endorphines stuff but the society doesn't want its individuals to get pleasure without giving back. Get high from drugs and you're not giving back. Get high from meals and you are giving work to a waitress, a cook, a logitics operation and a farmer.

Get your endorphine kick from buying stuff (you have to work for it first, have career plans, pursue them). Directly inject endorphine substitutes like cocaine and the whole path gets a hell of a lot shorter... but there is no benefit for those around you.

To complicate matters, drugs don't **** you up, it's the withdrawal symptoms. People go fine for decades if the quality and quantity is OK.
 
Dazzler said:
Right maybe I am wrong on some stuff, im not an expert which im sure no one here is either. Most of this is just opinion not fact.
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I am glad you admit you know little about this subject you are so quick to hang others on.


Doing it right it requires more effort then a orange tree is what im saying. When it comes to growing weed, male plants produce the seeds you dont want to smoke anything off those, while as you do with female. And if you want to do it good, you want Sinsemilla, which are female weed plants that havnt produced seeds, which gives it the ability to make more THC and all the shit you know and love in weed. To do that you have to remove male plants before they fertalize females.
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LMAO - and you know SO much about orange production that you think the farmers just throw seed and reap the rewards without the same efforts?

seriously man, what are you smoking?
 
NotTheDude said:
Not bashing, BUT...you have never done anything to make yourself "feel better, maybe even euphoric, without being "medically necessary"?
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That's a stretch...allow me to clarify. By "get high" I was referring to weed, the topic of this thread. I get high by enjoying life naturally. And no, I do not feel the need to use weed, alcohol, etc. Why would I? As a fitness trainer and distance runner, I see no health benefit from getting high so these vices are counter productive for me. But if you have studies disputing this please post.

You are correct in pointing out that one can "get high" naturally by enjoying many of life's wonderful experiences. And I do enjoy those tremendously!

NotTheDude said:
Why do people like you not see that most of what we do as humans is to seek pleasure and that you are no different than anyone else in this measure?
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People like me? You don't even know me, except for the fact that I don't use drugs or alcohol. I agree with the latter portion of your statement though, yes, humans are pleasure seekers. Sad thing is, many folks who get high seem to forget their pleasurable experiences.

Again, just my opinions and personal observations.
 
Monrox said:
Let's stay impartial here without negativisms. NotTheDude is right with the endorphines stuff but the society doesn't want its individuals to get pleasure without giving back. Get high from drugs and you're not giving back. Get high from meals and you are giving work to a waitress, a cook, a logitics operation and a farmer.
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if they were not prohibited by society and law where's the difference?

Get your endorphine kick from buying stuff (you have to work for it first, have career plans, pursue them). Directly inject endorphine substitutes like cocaine and the whole path gets a hell of a lot shorter... but there is no benefit for those around you.
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I agree. So is true about all things in "society", as in rob a bank for a short-cut to money, these are the things all society deals with daily, but someone getting high(the short-cut you speak of) doesn't diminish others quality of life unless they commit an overt act of violence or coercion against another member of said society.

If you see these substances as a commodity (the only sane way to see them) and whatever problems are derived by there use are dealt with like anything else, a crime against someone is a crime, not matter the motivating factor may be.

To complicate matters, drugs don't **** you up, it's the withdrawal symptoms. People go fine for decades if the quality and quantity is OK.
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Very wise.

You only have to look at any society pre/post-prohibition to see that the "evils" a prohibited substance/item is demonized for, is ALWAYS, lessoned by said "evil item" being easy to obtain at a higher quantity and quality(usually well regulated)

As for drugs(YES EVEN THE HARD ONES) all you have to do for a recent example is look to Portugal

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to see the positive changes in everything that is "BAD" about drugs lessened by sensible regulation.
 
Dazzler said:
you really going to sit here and argue that a weed plant isnt more difficult to maintain then frekin orange trees? I know more about growing weed then I do an orange tree, and I planted a fucking orange tree in my backyard and grew one without any issue or knowing shit about it. Im not saying I know EVERYTHING about growing weed so dont make the claim that im trying to sound like an expert, I know enough to know its kinda complicated if you want it done good.
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I worked for a scientific journal publisher for several years in the late 1990's and YES that is exactly what I am saying.

You would not believe the amount of thinking, breeding, hybridizing, substrate/nutrient/environmental factors that go into producing a viable, repeatable, commercially repeatable way to produce "X" amount of "whatever".

I understand where your thinking is coming from here, but opinions be damned:

YOU ARE WRONG!

I am not being a pompous ass here just stating the facts.

If you cannot look to google and find out that these are the facts, then there is no hope for you bud.

EDIT: you have never grown your own backyard garden have you?
 
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Dazzler said:
And guess what, all those factors would apply to growing marijuana too, plus what I also stated, so how exactly am I wrong? Your not understanding that were not comparing growing one weed plant to growing a farm field or oranges. If you compare them evenly, its obvious that marijuana would be harder to grow and maintain, especially if you dont want the female plants fertalized, which means they are better but dont produce seeds, which in return means they have to start the whole process over.
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Are you just trying to troll here?
Seriously you HAVE to be trolling. OR you keep digging yourself further into your logic hole, or changing you logic as you go.

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It seems more like the later. Please just admit you were wrong, it would make things SO much easier for the world.
 
Regarding the actual topic of this thread, which is:

"Study: Early Marijuana Use May Increase Brain Damage"

I can attest that it does!

How?

For the 9 years I was married to my ex-wife, all I had to do was look at her mother...who has been smoking pot since the 60's and 'still is' a full blown, tied-dyed wearing, pot smoking, pint-size of a woman who couldn't figure out how to solve the 'blinking 12:00' message on her VCR or alarm clock every time the power went out! ;-)
 
H2oBoy said:
Regarding the actual topic of this thread, which is:

"Study: Early Marijuana Use May Increase Brain Damage"

I can attest that it does!

How?

For the 9 years I was married to my ex-wife, all I had to do was look at her mother...who has been smoking pot since the 60's and 'still is' a full blown, tied-dyed wearing, pot smoking, pint-size of a woman who couldn't figure out how to solve the 'blinking 12:00' message on her VCR or alarm clock every time the power went out! ;-)
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These things have NEVER happened to someone who did not use cannibis.

File under: anonymous, undocumented, anecdotal story.(yes STORY)

EDIT: Lazy thinkers(most of us MOST of the time) are lazy thinkers - POT OR NOT!
 
This can not be true. I have been smoking since I was 13 and I am no more phucked up than the rest of you pot heads who started late in life.
 
Dazzler said:
What exactly am I suppose to be looking at? A direct website link would be better.

I think its you thats trying to troll sir.

When it comes down to it and you think about it, measuring difficulty of growing them is purely opinionated, you absolutely cannot prove that it's harder to grow oranges and I can't prove it's harder to grow weed. I'm sorry but there just isn't anything you can throw at me that's going to make me change my mind, so let's just settle on you thinking oranges are more difficult and I think weed is more difficult. Its a fair trade, and we can stop the pointless discussion that has nothing to do with the topic.
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your argument has changed considerably, it has tightened and focussed.

it's still wrong though - lol (I appreciate the entertainment)

Coming down huh?

(Scroll up to see for yourself)

When it comes down to it and you think about it, measuring difficulty of growing them is purely opinionated, you absolutely cannot prove that it's harder to grow oranges and I can't prove it's harder to grow weed.
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compared to:

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Actually, yeah they really can. Many people make money off plants, you buy apples, corn, oranges and other shit that comes off plants/trees, and those are TONS easier to grow then marijuana.

"TONS easier to grow then marijuana"(we know you meant to say "than")

still not correct no matter what your opinion may be

Namaste'

I hope you learn from our conversation.
 
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Dazzler said:
Its not that I'm incapable of trying to understand your side, I tried really, but if there is any fact in this thread it's that our discussion we just had is purely nothing more then opinions, and you can't win an argument off opinions unless one person changes their mind, and clearly neither of us are doing that, so what's the point.

Nothing really changed from what you quoted. I stated what I thought which hasn't changed, then we went back and forth about it for a bit, and realizing that neither side is going to budge whats the point of going on, its only entertaining for a bit.



Because your opinions are facts? Difficulty is measured by opinion bud, you aren't right either.
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See he won't even admit his argument has changed?
 
Dazzler said:
Trying to figure out if your retarded, or just trying to keep this going for entertainment.
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TRY to keep up with YOUR OWN WORDS(since you SAY you are not stoned)

You went from this:
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Actually, yeah they really can. Many people make money off plants, you buy apples, corn, oranges and other shit that comes off plants/trees, and those are TONS easier to grow then marijuana.

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When it comes down to it and you think about it, measuring difficulty of growing them is purely opinionated, you absolutely cannot prove that it'd harder to mass produce oranges then weed, and I can't prove my side either.

Does that make it simple enough for you to understand?

Do you understand the words that are coming from my mouth?
 
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Dazzler said:
Ugh you seem like a smart guy at times, and at other times it's like I have to shake you to try and comprehend.

So let's just get this straight, my original opinionated statement, which might I add nowhere shows that I'm stating it as a fact, is somehow different then what you last quoted, which is just me saying my opinionated statement was an opinion and so was yours, and we should stop the pointless convo? Your argument doesn't hold water unless I was originally stating it as a fact and then switched to saying it's an opinion. But your kinda right the argument has changed in the sense I want to end it and you want to keep going about pointless crap, that's the only way my argument has shifted, because I can go on and on about how I still think weed is a lot harder to grow.

Only thing I was trying to do was end an argument, if thats what you call changing what I originally stated then okay!
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You started with a serious "this is this and only an idiot would think anything else"

You have devolved into "trying to get along and any opinions is ok"

Seriously man - are you on medication?(not trying to fight here)but you are really inconsistent.
 
Dazzler said:
Ugh you seem like a smart guy at times, and at other times it's like I have to shake you to try and comprehend.

So let's just get this straight, my original opinionated statement, which might I add nowhere shows that I'm stating it as a fact, is somehow different then what you last quoted, which is just me saying my opinionated statement was an opinion and so was yours, and we should stop the pointless convo? Your argument doesn't hold water unless I was originally stating it as a fact and then switched to saying it's an opinion. But your kinda right the argument has changed in the sense I want to end it and you want to keep going about pointless crap, that's the only way my argument has shifted, because I can go on and on about how I still think weed is a lot harder to grow.

Only thing I was trying to do was end an argument, if thats what you call changing what I originally stated then okay!
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You started with a serious "this is this and only an idiot would think anything else"

You have devolved into "trying to get along and any opinions is ok"

Seriously man, not trying to fight here, but you are really inconsistent.
 
Everything is just chemical reaction in the mind.

Love
hate
smoke weed

Thats all it is

My friend 30 years ago had Schizo

Weed helped him daily cope with it till he finally got the car and hose pipe
My friend was a genius he wold have invented Iphone before Jobby boy and allsorts like that. Sometimes I think too much genius causes these deseases or it is possibly Consciousness God who had a evil sense of humour
 
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