Starting A Blog Network Have a Few Questions

I would like to start a blog network for my own personal websites. I'm a little confused on a few issues though.

I have an idea of building up a list of blogs for each niche. Building them as if they were real websites. I suppose they would be better described as pumper sites.
 
You said the blog network can exist on a shared hosting?

Yes. In fact I just asked my sites if they wanted to be on an expensive dedicated server or if they were OK with being on Lunarpages, BlueHost, BrainHost, HostDone, and a bunch of even crappier shared hosts...and they told me they don't care. (To be more clear: you put a couple sites on one host, a couple on another, one here one there etc.)

I have an idea of building up a list of blogs for each niche. Building them as if they were real websites. I suppose they would be better described as pumper sites.

Yeah man that's the idea. You have your real site - the one that makes the money - and your private network is what you use to funnel any linking power toward that site. You can also do other neato things like occasionally trade reciprocal links, sell links, promote affiliate products on your network, etc. Whatever you do though, don't ever do it network-wide. Remember, it's spread out, it's varied, you never use the same template twice, and you have everything on separate shared hosting (or, you can have a couple of unrelated niche sites on the same shared host but only if you have your stuff organized and you are certain there is no way to connect them).

To (maybe) illustrate - without sending a screen-shot - let me explain my dashboard. I have a Tier 1 display. It has the headings: Domain, Postcount, PR, PA, DA, IP, Host, Platform, and IBLs. Each column is sortable, and I have a scrupt running every six hours on cron to update the data. When I look at that dashboard I can quickly tell where I should post another piece of content, where I need to build some more links, and (if I am about to add another site) I can tell if there's room on any of my existing hosts - or if I need to buy another hosting account.

On a related note...I would bet that amateur mistakes are always what unravels super-secret private networks. I had to learn a lot of the lessons the hard way, and in fact there are only some things you can learn by doing - and making mistakes..
 
Low, thanks again for all the information. I read it a few times I'm digesting it now.
Just one more question.
Do you think 12-15 main domains and maybe 30-40 subdomains spread out would be a good start?
 
Sounds good, especially for a long term project.

I started a small network of web 2.0 sites some time ago on blogspot and other similar places.

I don't think they have the same power as proper standalone websites though. Especially if you're using high PR expiring domains.
 
Sounds good, especially for a long term project.

I started a small network of web 2.0 sites some time ago on blogspot and other similar places.

I don't think they have the same power as proper standalone websites though. Especially if you're using high PR expiring domains.

Yeah I got some of thous, there nice and all that but it's time to go big or go home.. Amiright?
 
Do you think 12-15 main domains and maybe 30-40 subdomains spread out would be a good start?

That definitely sounds like a good start. You could even start with less; I mean, it all depends on how much you can do in a day, and how big of a network you want to have.

But regardless of what you want to now or this week or even in the next month, you could buy all the domains now and let them sit.

It's like when I make Apfelwein (apple wine). Being a lover of good German Apfelwein, I sometimes drink a lot of it (that wine isn't gonna drink itself!) - and then I regret it the next day sometimes. But man it's so good. The thing is, I can't buy it - you can't just buy a bottle of Apfelwein in the USA (not anywhere that I know of). So I have to brew it myself. To do that, I have to buy the raw materials (apple juice, corn sugar, brewing yeast), have my brewing equipment ready, and (if I want to be drinking more wine in 6 months) I need to plan ahead. It takes a while to brew. The day I drink my last bottle, I want to have the next batch in reserve. When it's gone, it's gone.

So what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Let's say you want to start a small network...and add new sites to it periodically. (People "drip-feed" every other damn thing these days, why not do it with domains?) You could do that with brand-spankin' new domains...or with dropped domains you snap up on an ongoing basis. Or you could think a few moves ahead like Bobby Fisher...and always have some domains being "aged".

For instance: domains you buy and then put a landing page on. (I am of course talking about domains for which you cannot acquire the old content - if they were dropped.) A good landing page. One that has...oh...maybe a nice graphic (named for your keyword, with alt text, you know the drill), some relevant text to whatever the domain will be used for eventually, an H1 with your KW, etc. and maybe some related outbound links to some authorities in your niche. That's all I need to tell you without showing you actual working examples (and revealing one of my niches - because I'm so shy), but I just checked and I have three such pages ranking on page 1. So these pages can rank (depending on the competition) just based on how good they are and how old the domains are. I mean, my LPs all look appealing, so they must be totally legit and helpful sites riiiight? No one has to know they maybe took only 15 minutes work to set up (each).

(If I haven't already mentioned that all your sites should look damn good, I'll mention it now. On-page is important - in your code and also how it looks to the human eye. Again, a "real-life" example: You don't want to date an ugly-looking girl, do you? Hell no, you want a foxy hot-lookin' chick in a miniskirt. Same thing here, make your site all look sexy to Google. Google will then make sweet sweet love to your sites.)

But anyway, the point I want to make is to buy any good domains you come across, but there's no need to rush to plug them into your network as "working" sites. You can make sure they at least get found, indexed, and "aged" with your KWs on them, however, by spending a few minutes to put up a good LP. Then - just like a batch of Apfelwein - when you want to it, it's there.
 
It's like when I make Apfelwein (apple wine). Being a lover of good German Apfelwein, I sometimes drink a lot of it (that wine isn't gonna drink itself!) - and then I regret it the next day sometimes. But man it's so good. The thing is, I can't buy it - you can't just buy a bottle of Apfelwein in the USA (not anywhere that I know of). So I have to brew it myself. To do that, I have to buy the raw materials (apple juice, corn sugar, brewing yeast), have my brewing equipment ready, and (if I want to be drinking more wine in 6 months) I need to plan ahead. Ittakes a while to brew. The day I drink my last bottle, I want to have the next batch in reserve. When it's gone, it's gone.

I've never tried a apple wine before. Not really much of a wine person, give me a hoppy ale anyday.
 
i'll add my 2cents here. i've been a web developer for many years and i know for a fact that on a joomla cms, from the get go i can have it pr3 in 2months. not sure about wp but building pr in joomla is so easy with the right modules. not sure why this is so...
 
I've used joomla, I'm not sure what modules would increase pr.. This is something I would like to hear more about if you care to share... Joomla was the firs cms I learned, I then went to Wordpress. Why you ask? Lazy boy plugins and support. Also if sell my site Wordpress is a more attractive sale, to the laymen web developer.

On to pr of domains. If your going to register a domain for 7-10 dollars apiece wouldnt you want some that have/had pr and have some real authority links already in place? I don't know about you, but I want some sites that already went thru the dmoz waiting time period or paid 200 bucks to yahoo..
 
I've used joomla, I'm not sure what modules would increase pr.. This is something I would like to hear more about if you care to share... Joomla was the firs cms I learned, I then went to Wordpress. Why you ask? Lazy boy plugins and support. Also if sell my site Wordpress is a more attractive sale, to the laymen web developer.

On to pr of domains. If your going to register a domain for 7-10 dollars apiece wouldnt you want some that have/had pr and have some real authority links already in place? I don't know about you, but I want some sites that already went thru the dmoz waiting time period or paid 200 bucks to yahoo..

i'm a joomla guy and wp guy 2nd, i'm aware that blog networks are primarily on wp for ease of uses probably but i'm unsure that pr is passed off when you purchase an expired domain. granted you are correct that the link juice is better with an expired previously owned domain. i myself know that i can build massive quick pr in joomla. so thats why i am building my personal network on joomla cms ground up. i find that if you install "easyblog" module the pr jumps with a week and of course you need to install sh404 for seo. i maybe changing topic here sorry... just want to say that all my joomla sites default at pr3 easily. i would also clone my sites and just drop them onto the new domain etc. thats my process. the priority in a private network imo is high number or high pr sites. therefore i want to make sure i can easily and steadily increase pr. thats my way of thinking anyways..
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but PR isn't transferred once deleted. It might be there for a few weeks, but it'll die off. Gotta get 'em before they are deleted.

I got a deleted domain with PR3 and about 9 years old last year (I'm not sure whether it was changed before, but the first time it was created was in 2002). I used it to build an auto-blog with wprobot. All the posts are indexed well but less traffic. Several PR updates have been made, but the PR of this domain is still 3. So I think PR can be transferred even though it is deleted.
 
i'm a joomla guy and wp guy 2nd, i'm aware that blog networks are primarily on wp for ease of uses probably but i'm unsure that pr is passed off when you purchase an expired domain. granted you are correct that the link juice is better with an expired previously owned domain. i myself know that i can build massive quick pr in joomla. so thats why i am building my personal network on joomla cms ground up. i find that if you install "easyblog" module the pr jumps with a week and of course you need to install sh404 for seo. i maybe changing topic here sorry... just want to say that all my joomla sites default at pr3 easily. i would also clone my sites and just drop them onto the new domain etc. thats my process

Not off topic, your giving me pointers on blog networks. I haven't ruled out joomla. Zennoposter can post to just about anything. I don't want to get into debate over what cms is better. Because they both have there pros and cons, but I'll check out these plugins you mentioned and maybe I'll use some joomlas. They do manage sub domains a whole lot easier then Wordpress.
 
Not off topic, your giving me pointers on blog networks. I haven't ruled out joomla. Zennoposter can post to just about anything. I don't want to get into debate over what cms is better. Because they both have there pros and cons, but I'll check out these plugins you mentioned and maybe I'll use some joomlas. They do manage sub domains a whole lot easier then Wordpress.

exactly no cms debating here. i simply feel more confident with joomla because i can consistantly increase the pr. lets say i purchase a pr4 with juice. i build it in joom and always continue to increase it as time passes. this will help your overall entire network over time. i'm not satisfied with stagnant pr, i always want it to go up the easiest way possible.
 
The CMS is irrelevant to me when building a network - I mix them up. If you read one of my previous posts, you'll see I mentioned my private network monitoring "dashboard" in which I keep track of the platform each site is built upon.

Now, why would I care to be able to show that? It's so I can look and see that I have a good mix of types of sites. (They aren't all WordPress for sure.) When I add a new site, it's one of the differentiating factors that I consider.

When you're paranoid, you want to leave less footprints to follow...

But that brings up something you alluded to, lagger: using an app that can post to a few types of sites. I never used Zennoposter but I imagine it can be expanded to talk to many platforms. Of course I built my own system but in doing so I know that as long as a CMS or other site platform has XML-RPC I can manage it remotely. Good old LinkFarmEvolution was (and is) great for managing a strictly-WordPress network, if someone wanted to go that route. There are other tools out there I'm sure.

But you want to use a few different platforms, because you want a diverse network. I can't tell you how many times I was able to pick apart someone's private network based upon one footprint, and more than a few times that footprint was a common CMS with the same template. If you're curious what some other footprints have been: AdSense code, affiliate IDs, tracking/analytics code (stuff like Piwik or whatever).

I mentioned putting things on different hosts...but didn't tell you why. Because guys like me will visit all the neighboring IPs just to find similar sites. Why? Because it's fun, plus I always enjoyed finding out people's secrets. On shared hosting especially it's not too hard to see all the other sites served alongside a competitor. When I see three other sites in the same niche, well bingo. Those go on my list.

Your competitors, Google, and other bots/search engines can do the same.
 
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Low, it's obvious by your writing style, knowledge, and willingness to give back that you have been at the "game" for awhile. Although I enjoy friendly competition I don't wish to be in the same niche as you. I imagine with enough pateince and posts on any network it's impossible to hide it from a seasoned imer. Hell I've been at this for a year or so and I can already find foot prints fairly simple. :) As for google on the other hand, yes I'll work on covering my tracks to the best of my ability.

Gerry, one other reason I dropped joomla as my main cms is the want money for everything. Wordpress there usually is a free plugin that will do what I need, joomla on the other hand always wants a little cash for there sacred plugin. Also with joom it's like your reinventing the wheel everytime you need to do something with it. Yes I understand some people like that, but me on the other hand I'm busy trying to make that money.
 
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