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Starting A Blog Network Have a Few Questions

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by lagger, Apr 26, 2012.

  1. lagger

    lagger Power Member

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    I found 6 deleted domains, that had PR/Dmoz or PR/yahoo directory and all had good active backlinks. I have a few question and any advice would be helpful.

    1. How many domains is a good start, Im going after a few 3k search terms.

    2. Should I make subdomains? Each domain will have a different c-class ip.

    3. Should I make them pull RSS feeds from various news sites or anything to make them more natural?

    4. I would like opinions on syndication. For example should I have sites syndicate posts to tumblr, wordpress, posterous and maybe twitter or facebook? Was thinking this might be the thing to do, but I would like to hear some opinions.
     
  2. Seankearns

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but PR isn't transferred once deleted. It might be there for a few weeks, but it'll die off. Gotta get 'em before they are deleted.
     
  3. lagger

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    Can/Cant die off thats why I picked domains that have a good backlinking structure. For example they all have Dmoz or yahoo directory links. SO yes they might "die" off next week but the next pr update they should come back.
     
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    I bough not one but whole lot of deleted domains with PR in the past. I kept PR most of the time.
     
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  5. fung1990

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    Pagerank will return to the domain iF you build a page in most case.
     
  6. lagger

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    They do loose all that age thou, which Im willing to sacrifice for such a cheap price.. :) Anyone else have any comments on my other questions?
     
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    Make them look as natural as possible with low amount of links. Don't forget to support their structure by building smaller link wheels or pyramids to make them grow and boost them a bit further.
     
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    I've been reading that you'll lose some of the rank primarily because some of the backlinks will be pointing to now dead pages.

    Solution: Install a WP plugin that does a 301 redirect from all 404 pages. That way if you have a backlink pointing to: http://www.yourdomain.com/wowthissectiondoesntexistanymore you'll still get the link juice from it.
     
  9. lagger

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    Already done bro, but thanks!
     
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    How do you check PR for a deleted domain?
     
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    when you create these networks. None of the domains link to each other right? they all simply link to the moneysites.
     
  12. Lowbrow

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    I have experience running a few private networks. And, I have utilized dropped domains a few times.

    With dropped domains, it's hit-and-miss as far as preserving PR. So don't count on any of a site's authority staying. However, to increase your chances of keeping the PR, try to re-create any archived pages that you can find. If you cannot find the actual content - but you know the URL - make a page for that URL and make up new content.

    It sounds like you want to just jump into it right away and use these domains in your network. That's fine, but personally I just buy 'em, rebuild 'em, and let them sit. When I find out that a domain has kept some authority and PR I turn it into something (i.e. use it in a network or sell links on it or whatever).

    You can use shared hosting accounts for your network. You get IP and geographic diversity. And it's not too expensive. (It's surprising how many accounts you can find that cost less than ten USD a year, for instance.) Your hosting does not need to be some sort of "SEO hosting" for a private network. You also do not need a VPS or dedi with a block of IPs. You can do that if you want - I just don't.

    You will need a tool to manage all of this. When you get a few hundred sites (subdomains plus root domains) you will not be able to make heads or tails of what's what. There are still times when I see a subdomain (when looking through the list) and think, "heh, I forgot about that one".

    I programmed my own management suite. It took hours and hours and went through two iterations and many tweaks. It still isn't perfect. A good, ready-made solution that did everything my own tools do (and more!) is WP Mothership by the guys at SoftWarp. I tried it out when he first released it, and I thought it was a solid app. Kinda confusing at first, but if you take your time and just use each piece and read the documentation, you'll probably "get it".

    As far as using feeds to populate your network: beware. If it seems too easy, it probably is going to end up with no results or negative results. People will probably flame me, or tell me I don't know what I'm talking about - and that's fine - but the engineers at Google aren't stupid, and the policies Google has implemented are very smart. Yes, I know we can find search results all day long that we can laugh at because they look dumb. But what happens when Google "gets it right" and discovers your site is spammy as hell via one of their handjobs (i.e. a manual review)? It happens.

    When it happens to one site, on some .info you reg'd for a buck, you can get that dirt off your shoulder and move on. (After all, a true blackhat will churn and burn, right?) Well, if you want a solid linking machine that you can use at will to push solid link juice at any site you wish...you need to build it right to begin with. If you want it to last, and actually see good results, that is. There's no easy answer I can give you for that one. You can pay for writers, you can write content yourself, or you can get really damn creative in other ways. But I don't know of an off-the-shelf feed parser or tool that can populate a site with scraped (or spun) content and turn it into a trusted property.

    To answer your question about using subdomains, by the way: I use them when the domain allows for it. In other words, when I have a very narrowly-defined domain name - "summertimegirlstubetops" for a random made-up example that's on my mind - I just leave it flat as a top-level standalone domain. I end up with enough domains usually to where I have some that are really specific and a bunch that are "general-purpose". So another one might be "designerjeans" (or something equally as "vanilla"). For domains like that, I build a ton of subdomains - I could use brand names, styles, etc. for those. Just do what makes sense and what feels natural. If it is organized in that manner, you might actually end up with a helpful site...hmmm think about that.

    Speaking of how to pick your categories, Imma give you a bonus tip, for free. Here it is: let Google pick your categories (i.e. subdomains) for you. How to do that? Well in the past there have been a number of methods. I've used their search suggestions, their LSI keywords, I've used the Wonder Wheel...but my favorite method (which is recent) is to use AdWords' Keyword Tool. Put in your main keyword, and click "Search", and (if it's available to you) click the green tab that says "Ad group ideas (beta)". If you ever want to see a logically organized, concise, relevant group of WordPress categories, subdomains, etc. that will be it. No WSOs or paid tools needed.

    If you have any more questions, let me know and I'll try to help.
     
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  13. jamslam

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    I have the same question as yoyo33. Any response?
     
  14. lagger

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    No they wont link together, and there will be no blogroll links unless its to a very authority site. Comments will be closed because I hate delete spam comments and emails.

    If i syndicate posts, they will all have there own accounts. So if I have 10 domains the would each have 3 syndicate sites. So if I post an article to my private network it will be 10 different spun version to each main blog, then each blog will syndicate to, lets say, 3 web 2.0's. So the links would look like this...

    Money site: 10 high PR post links each from different ip, then 30 web 2.0 links from wordpress, tumblr, and posterous

    Each private blog post would also recieve 3 links from web 2.0 and maybe a tweet or a facebook update.
     
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    I run a few checks. First, I fire up SEOQuake, and I do a search for info:thedomainname and site:thedomainname

    For both of those, the domains should have the same PR and also should appear. If one of those queries turns up zero results, move on to the next candidate and do not buy it.

    I also like to check to see that a domain has at least a few pages listed in the search index. If I can buy a PR3 domain (for examples) with a few PR1 and PR2 subpages, I feel like I am getting more bang for my buck. That's just me and my thrifty ways though.
     
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    Thanks for actually answer my questions lol rep add. Subdomain id is very good, ill keep it a secret :D
     
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    Speaking of shelves, maybe I should go visit half price books....
     
  18. Lowbrow

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    Do "real" sites have all the comments closed on all posts? What would it look like to you (or someone else) to see an active site with absolutely no open-for-comment posts?

    So...what if all the comments were from trusted commenters, maybe someone you knew (or you)? and what if you made sure to modify all your templates so no one could see that comments were closed?

    I bet your sites would look more natural, varied, and plus you would have less obtrusive/obvious places to drop links to locations you want to help...just an idea.
     
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    Again some very good points.
     
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    You said the blog network can exist on a shared hosting?