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Solution for getting out of Penguin ?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by dollarjames, Jul 22, 2012.

  1. dollarjames

    dollarjames Regular Member

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    Hi everyone,

    I have had several sites penalized by Penguin on April 24th.

    Has anyone had success getting out a website from Penguin with the following method ?

    1) Buy a 5+ years old, PR2+ domain (non relevant to your niche), with a decent amount of bakclinks.
    2) Create a site on it with everything relevant to your niche.
    3) Post a few 100% unique 1000 word articles on the site.
    4) After getting the site and the content indexed, 301 it to your Penguin penalized website by adding the following code to the .htaccess file -


    Options +FollowSymlinks
    RewriteEngine on
    rewritecond %{http_host} ^domain.com [nc]
    rewriterule ^(.*)$ http://www.domain.com/$1 [r=301,nc]


    Note: we all know, that 301-ing a penalized website to a new domain passes the penalty, so I was wondering if 301-ing a non penalized high page rank website to your penalized domain could get it out of Penguin.

    Your help is much appreciated.

    James
     
  2. dollarjames

    dollarjames Regular Member

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    Has anyone experimented the above method 1 ?

    Otherwise I have two other alternative ideas (but less good IMO):

    Method2:

    1) Buy a 5+ years old, PR3+ domain (non relevant to your niche), with a decent amount of bakclinks.
    2) Create a site on it with everything relevant to your niche.
    3) Post several 100% unique articles on the site (5 to 10 articles).
    4) After getting the site and the content indexed, include a contextual link to your penalized money website + to high quality websites such as wikipedia.



    Method3:

    1) Buy a 5+ years old, PR3+ domain (non relevant to your niche).
    2) Buy a new EMD and write new content on your niche market
    3) Redirect 301 both aged domain and penalized domain to the new EMD.

    Logically the 301 from the penalized domain to the new EMD, should pass through the penalty.
    Nevertheless, considering the new EMD will have new content AND link juice from an aged high page rank domain, this might help getting out of Penguin.

    What's your thoughts about the 3 methods ? I think method 1 is the best.

    But has anyone tested it ?

    James
     
  3. tedchang8592

    tedchang8592 Regular Member

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    this is what i exactly did and to recover a site, before penguin was #3, now it(the new site) is #9

    bought 1 new domain(not aged one, no one has used it ever.), my penguin-slapped-site is a emd, the new domain is hyphen one.
    nothing changed, i just copied the old files to new site
    built some backlinks(guest posts or what) to new domain
    i haven't add any content for new one
     
  4. Typlo

    Typlo Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    One more suggestion - Take a look at your inbound link profile and review the anchor text. One of the flags for an overoptimized site is the overuse of specific anchor text. Like someone else mentioned above, Google is looking for natural linking that is indicative of a quality site. When you think about how non-SEO and non-webmasters link from one site to another, many don't keyword anchor text, they use phrases like click here, follow this link, or a straight, bare link. Google "click here" and you'll see Adobe is #1. Why? Because millions of inbound links to Adobe reader say "click here" and not "adobe reader". I try to keep my anchor text at about a 4/10 ratio. For every 10 inbound links, I do 4 with some variation of an exact anchor text, while the remaining 6 have some other, more generic linking text.
     
  5. 50cent

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    did you kill off the old site or redirect it to new site?

     
  6. seowulf

    seowulf Junior Member

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    Totally agree with what Typlo said above.

    Don't go too crazy buying useless domains/redirecting them/doing god knows what.

    Penguin update was about over-optimized link profiles, which meant 90% of your backlinks had the same anchor text, which was also in your title, domain, description, site content, etc.

    The way to get out of it, is to de-optimize your link profile. Get some "click here", "find out more" or other relevant keywords to your niche, and you'll magically reappear in the SERPs.
     
  7. dollarjames

    dollarjames Regular Member

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    But if you buy a high PR old age domain, and redirect it to your penalized moneysite, can't this help gain authority and dilute your anchor text ?

    Obviously, one could purchase web 2.0 links for example and dilute anchor text with "click here", or "read more". But this might not be enough considering Google will see many links coming from low quality websites.

    Isn't it better to buy a high PR old domain and do a 301 redirection to your penalized moneysite in order to increase the trust Google has in your website ? In addition you would benefit from all the link juice, and maybe get out of Penguin ?
     
  8. Codythebest

    Codythebest Senior Member

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    You want to recover from penguin? Easy! Get rid off all your backlinks. I'm doing this as we speak. I finish my first site a couple of weeks ago. It has 0 backlink now. And now, it's #1 on G for the keywords, above...amazon.com...
     
  9. seowulf

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    Yeah, but the PR of that domain will drop sooner or later, right? Which will make it useless.

    Check out the services for sale section on the forum, you can get plenty of quality diversified backlinks with desired anchor texts.
     
  10. dollarjames

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    I have already tested this without success. I used several web 2.0 services to dilute my anchor text, but this has had no impact.

    I initially thought that maybe over-optimized anchor text wasn't the only reason I was penalized by Penguin, so I de-optimized slightly the pages of one of my website (5 page micro niche), but this didn't have any impact either.

    I think the reason behind this is that Google doesn't trust my website, and that adding some low quality web 2.0 links to dilute anchor text, doesn't have much impact.

    That's why I am thinking of doing a 301 redirection from an aged high PR domain to my Penguin penalized website.
     
  11. gundamwing

    gundamwing Supreme Member

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    integrate with google + setup right g+ author
    will gain trust thats it
     
  12. darkfury

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    We 301'd to an aged domain, we got our rankings back within days and gave us a window of opportunity to go through our link portfolio with a fine tooth comb before the penalty transferred over and fortunately we located our bad links and diversified out anchors. Our rankings eventually dropped but not to the degree that they would if we we're penalized, after two weeks of quality but aggressive SEO we are now back stronger than we we're pre-penguin.
     
  13. ThopHayt

    ThopHayt Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    All this 301 stuff will be cracked down on HARD soon I think. I'm avoiding doing too much crazy crap with it... it's too easy to track.
     
  14. dollarjames

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    Yes but this is normal, if you 301 a penalized website to another domain (aged or not), the penalty will pass through eventually.

    My idea is the other way round: redirect an aged domain with high page rank to the penalized website, meaning this will boost the trust in the penalized website. I need to test this out, but I have heard several people who have managed to get out of Penguin by doing this.
     
  15. tedchang8592

    tedchang8592 Regular Member

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    just redirect to new site
     
  16. dollarjames

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    But this normally passes the penalty through to the new domain. Didn't this occur for you a couple of weeks after the redirected.
     
  17. Blakester

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    Build natural links and avoid using the main keyword as the anchor text. Think a webmaster that doesn't know how to SEO.
     
  18. Cat In The Hat

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    If you 301 the new site to your penalized site it isn't going to work. It may work temporarily but eventually the penalty will carry over. Just ditch the domain and start over.

    Also worth noting, if the domain has a lot of backlinks this is good for passing link juice, but only if its in the same niche as your money site. To get the added benefit of this the backlinks' anchor text should be relative to your niche, which won't be the case if its not related to your current niche. You might have plenty of backlinks but their anchor text will be totally irrelevant. This might even hurt you the way google is operating now.
     
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  19. seowulf

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    Why don't you get better links, than just "web 2.0 BS"?

    I'm talking about article directories, blog networks, possibly home page PR backlinks.

    I'm sure that will have a positive effect.
     
  20. Falian

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    This 301 tactic will eventually pass the penalty. I've done it enough times to know :/.