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So How Good Is Your Site REALLY

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Scritty, Dec 12, 2012.

  1. Scritty

    Scritty Elite Member Premium Member

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    I would Rep you but can't because I already did recently. Good writeup. Unfortunately many people simply suck at building sites not to mention SEO. Just like you said, they get even the most basic stuff wrong. What is even worse and amazes me is that they will not accept this if you say it to them, they will insist their site is ok.
     
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    Good feedback bro. I think you should charge $50 per 10-15min evaluation, It would make lazy people double check their sites. We all know that $50 is WAY more to lazy person than to people that work hard.
     
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    Very true. The site itself matters the most as I have seen in my life.
     
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    whynotmakeit Power Member

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    excellent post. thanks for taking the time.
     
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    Scritty Elite Member Premium Member

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    That last bit is GOLDEN.

    It's like they are site blind about their own work. "But it's great" or "I've been hacked" or "Google just isn't fair" or "Someone's negative linked me my site is A1 perfect"

    Then you look, and I really can't believe the self delusion some people have (many - not some)

    Oh well, keeps me in a job I suppose.
     
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    Man I had to give you rep just for taking the time.
     
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  8. moonlighsunligh

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    It is easy to write forums posts, it is difficult to write content for a website :). But basic seo really isn't that difficult and so everyone should read madoctopus's guide and another member's guide about making wordpress secure. Actually regarding security, changing the username and the database prefix of a wordpress blog is often enough.

    I agree with most things you said, but for single keywords like widget it is pretty much impossible to keep kw. density bellow 2-3% even if you you use a lot of synonyms. 5% is still a pretty good result. I just checked one of my sites, that is probably best in this, and the kw density for a single keyword is 2.63%, but that is only because the word has a few synonyms.
     
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    Scritty Elite Member Premium Member

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    Yeah it is harder for some one word phrases. I find it's do-able most times - but definitely harder.
    Sometimes it's best just to write more content "naturally" on the topic and not think too hard
     
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    I love your post!
    I used to be an overkiller regarding SEO on websites.
    I just started my new website and i'm trying to whitehat SEO.
    But thanks to you i checked copyscape and i could delete some copied content on time.
    I'm still searching how to make a good backlink profile but many different arguments on different forums
     
  11. hydicious01

    hydicious01 Newbie

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    Good feedback bro.
     
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    I got to hand it down.
    This is by far the BEST SEO threads I have read in a LONG LONG time.
    Thanks A Million Scritty for taking your valuable time to help people do some PROPER seo.
    People like you make BHW the awesome community it is now.
     
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    In essence, from what I read in your post, don't both with Black Hat SEO. Just make a good site. Couldn't agree more!
     
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    Great post - that's why I love you guys, always ready to help :)
     
  15. Sampler

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    This is why every time I see a thread started by Scritty I read it instantly.
     
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    @Scritty & moonlighsunligh:

    If you write an article about "blue widgets for wickums" you will get 'widgets' often even if the longtail is rare (for most practical cases/topics). In other words for certain topics the root keyword will have high % naturally - no keyword stuffing no nothing. Key is to look at the other authority sites and see where they stand to get an idea what is the acceptable keyword weight.
     
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    I agree really. Everything in SEO is relative, you don't have to be perfect in many niches - you just have to be better than the next guy. There is a number 1 search result for every phrase - sometimes that phrase is competitive with a load of well developed sites with great backlink profiles.

    Other times all you need to do is be the best of a crap bunch.

    It's like that joke.

    "What's the best thing to have with you when you're being chased by a bear?"
    "Answer - A mate who can't run as fast as you"


    That's SEO

    The best niches are the ones where the competition is crap and you can beat them

    It's not about beating some mythical target, attaining perfection and enlightenment - it's about beating the other sites competiting for the phrase. Sometimes they are great - other times they are crap.

    Also - this isn't a "Black Hat Slap" thread. If you don't create links you will likely fail in all but the very weakest of niches. Outsourcing and automation will likely be vital for that if you have many sites or a competitive niche. But having a 231 word site with 25,000+ links (most of them on the same 2 or 3 platforms) isn't just a bit "Black Hat" it's fucking stupid.

    THose that visit my blog know I'm more "Blue Hat" these days (a crap phrase I know - but when I looked at what I had success with and how I operated, I found the "Blue Hat" phrase already in use and thought "Oh - that's what I do already almost word for word") So if the hat fits...wear it.
    Blue Hat prioratises your site first and foremaost. It ackowedges that it is the only thing you REALLY own. It is where the value you add will likely be PERMANENT (unless you forget to pay you hosting or whatever).
    Links by their very nature are on someone elses site, they aren't your's they offer transient value BUT THEY ARE VITAL.
    It's not about "not getting links" - it's about knowing how many, what format they should take, what platforms they should be on, the context they are in, how and where to get them and how to keep them adding value. If linkbuilding is taking more than 70% of your time and you aren't a MNS autopilot site builder - then the chances are you have your priorities out of skew.

    Scritty
     
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    Awesome post !!! A must read guy for every site owner.
     
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    Yeah this is pretty basic stuff but it definitely doesn't hurt to remind yourself of it - everything written here is pretty much 'SEO 101' if you're getting started. Nice thread starter!

    Haha, someone must have got pretty offended though - this thread shouldn't be rated 1 star! lol

    EDIT: I might also add something to this post about on-site organization and interlinking. Google loves categories; instead of http:/ /ww w.mysite.com/mynichepage it's better to have http:/ /ww w.mysite.com/niche/nicepage

    So if you have a site on skate equipment you could have a category for skateboards and rollerskates and then sub-categories below that - google is all about that!
     
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  20. Scritty

    Scritty Elite Member Premium Member

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    I agree this stuf SHOULD be basic.

    Since I originally wrote this about 2 weeks ago..
    Code:
    [URL]http://www.demondemon.com/2012/11/12/being-honest-about-a-sites-value-in-seo-terms/[/URL]
    I've done about 25 more appraisals.
    Poor site content and over linking is common to almost 80% of them.

    So while this stuff SHOULD be obvious..it either isn't...or everyone is still worshipping the "great link god" in the sky and spending 90% or more of their time creating links on other people's sites rather than spending a little more time on their own.

    Again links are VITAL and probably always will be, but maybe split time closer to 50-50?

    Scritty