SMM - How to appeal PP chargeback?

Scorpion Ghost · Mar 30, 2019

So the situation is:

1) In January a guy bought services from my panel totaling $1,280 over 6 transactions
2) The other day he did a chargeback for all (item not received)
3) I responded to each chargeback
4) 5 of the chargebacks were refunded by PP, and 1 of them was changed to (item not as described)
5) I replied to the one that was changed, and PP sided with me and didn't refund him on that one (the smallest one, about $150)

Now, the 5 chargebacks that were refunded, I have the option to appeal them. I want to appeal them.

What do I provide PP? How to approach this? I have a long Skype convo with he guy, I have links, start counts, panel stuff.

How do I approach this?

p.s my PP got permanently suspended almost immediately after the guy did the chargebacks, so I'm not worried about the PP account, that's already lost. I'll just put up one last effort to keep that money, or at least some of it

BuildMoreLinks · Mar 30, 2019

sorry to inform you, that nothing can be done as paypal will always side with the buyer as in your case.

youtubeprofs · Mar 30, 2019

Paypal is really disappointed

ATuringtest · Mar 30, 2019

BuildMoreLinks said:
sorry to inform you, that nothing can be done as paypal will always side with the buyer as in your case.

Yeah they "awlays" do.
Thats why I take the hit on Fiverr and do my SMM on there.
If I was you I would start banging some down votes on what ever platform he used or get a spam bot knocked up and give him shit till he pays you.. other than that I dont know.

Ecodor · Mar 30, 2019

Fucking paypal shit. BHW must come in place for this type of shit. We need payment systrm in bhw!!!
@Diamond Damien

Mr. Grinder · Mar 30, 2019

I am agree with @Ecodor and feeling sorry for @Scorpion Ghost you already get fucked mate and do not waste your 30 min to appealing or calling those shity brainless chicks over phone , last my they took my 1700$ , i am just waiting for that fuckinfg 6 month

somebody kindly hack paypal and just wipe their entire things from the world

RayChand · Mar 30, 2019

deepdigger said:
last my they took my 1700$ , i am just waiting for that fuckinfg 6 month

somebody kindly hack paypal and just wipe their entire things from the world

So that you can get your 1700 bucks

Scorpion Ghost · Mar 30, 2019

BuildMoreLinks said:
sorry to inform you, that nothing can be done as paypal will always side with the buyer as in your case.

But it won't hurt to try. Who knows, maybe they check the other guy's Paypal and see he's done this many times, comparing to my Paypal account's 4 year history without a single chargeback, without a single problem, fully verified. I mean, it's $1,130 no the line, and I'm itching to try appealing. I just don't know what to send them...?

youtubeprofs said:
Paypal is really disappointed

Disappointing the are. They encourage scammers, that's what they do.

ATuringtest said:
Yeah they "awlays" do.
Thats why I take the hit on Fiverr and do my SMM on there.
If I was you I would start banging some down votes on what ever platform he used or get a spam bot knocked up and give him shit till he pays you.. other than that I dont know.

The only thing I can do is contact all those Facebook page owners that he bought likes for (his clients) and try to get some of them to buy from me, or at least get them to stop buying from that guy. That way he'll lose something too. Other than that I can't really get to him as I don't know his site or anything. He's a reseller.

Mmm, man, but fiverr cuts you at 20%, and it cuts the customer also with a processing fee. I mean, it's just too much of a loss. That said, I also sell on Fiverr, but I never drive traffic to Fiverr or have people pay me through Fiverr.

Ecodor said:
Fucking paypal shit. BHW must come in place for this type of shit. We need payment systrm in bhw!!!
@Diamond Damien

I'm game

deepdigger said:
I am agree with @Ecodor and feeling sorry for @Scorpion Ghost you already get fucked mate and do not waste your 30 min to appealing or calling those shity brainless chicks over phone , last my they took my 1700$ , i am just waiting for that fuckinfg 6 month

somebody kindly hack paypal and just wipe their entire things from the world

Man, I'm waiting 4 more months for $12k and now 6 more months for $2.5k

Maybe no one should wipe their entire thing from the world until you and I get our moneys back. Then someone should definitely nuke them

Robyries · Mar 30, 2019

What do you use in your PayPal transaction? Is direct deposit or what..? I see followiz using invoice option when user want to add deposit

Scorpion Ghost · Mar 30, 2019

Robyries said:
What do you use in your PayPal transaction? Is direct deposit or what..? I see followiz using invoice option when user want to add deposit

People would just send money to my PP email. That was it. Nothing in the note, no invoice. Just sending money to email.

Mr. Grinder · Mar 30, 2019

Scorpion Ghost said:
Man, I'm waiting 4 more months for $12k and now 6 more months for $2.5k

Maybe no one should wipe their entire thing from the world until you and I get our moneys back. Then someone should definitely nuke them

dude , i will forget my 1700$ forever if somebody can wipe the name of the paypal from world right now !!! just fuck paypal

ATuringtest · Mar 30, 2019

deepdigger said:
dude , i will forget my 1700$ forever if somebody can wipe the name of the paypal from world right now !!! just fuck paypal

deepdigger : I will forget my 1700$ forever if somebody can wipe the name of the paypal from world right now !!! just fuck paypal
Vasquez: All right, we got seven canisters of CN-20. I say we roll them in there and nerve gas the whole fucking nest.
Hicks: That's worth a try, but we don't know if it's gonna affect them.
Hudson: Let's just bug out and call it even, OK? What are we even talking about this for?
Ripley: I say we take off and nuke the entire PayPal building from orbit [everybody looks at her] It's the only way to be sure.
Hudson: Fuckin' A!

Zapdron · Mar 30, 2019

I never lost any PayPal dispute, never even reply to disputes just call the PayPal support. It may depend on the country but here in Germany the PayPal phone support is just great. Even with transactions which are usually not allowed with PayPal they decided in my favor, just be honest with them

Boosts · Apr 1, 2019

Don't accept G&S transactions! Only F&F!

Scorpion Ghost · Apr 2, 2019

deepdigger said:
dude , i will forget my 1700$ forever if somebody can wipe the name of the paypal from world right now !!! just fuck paypal

Well... i don't wanna forget the 5 figures I have locked in the gaypals, so let's wait until I get my money back and then wipe away

Zapdron said:
I never lost any PayPal dispute, never even reply to disputes just call the PayPal support. It may depend on the country but here in Germany the PayPal phone support is just great. Even with transactions which are usually not allowed with PayPal they decided in my favor, just be honest with them

Yeah, Paypal is great until it's not.

I called them when they suspended my original account in January. I was told that another department handles suspensions, there's nothing they can do. I was told I can't know why I was suspended, and I can't appeal it, and my money is locked for 180 days, and to go fuck myself.

Paypal sucks, it's not great.

Boosts said:
Don't accept G&S transactions! Only F&F!

I think that's not good advice.

sina999 · Apr 15, 2019

Zapdron said:
I never lost any PayPal dispute, never even reply to disputes just call the PayPal support. It may depend on the country but here in Germany the PayPal phone support is just great. Even with transactions which are usually not allowed with PayPal they decided in my favor, just be honest with them

How can you be honest if you sell SMM Services? I'm from Germany too but I would never say to paypal that I sell SMM services. Do you have to provide any proofs of what product/service you sell?

Scorpion Ghost · Apr 16, 2019

sina999 said:
How can you be honest if you sell SMM Services? I'm from Germany too but I would never say to paypal that I sell SMM services. Do you have to provide any proofs of what product/service you sell?

Good point.

WestbrookHarden · Sep 14, 2019

Next time you have a similar challenge, get someone who can create custom tracking numbers for your services/products, then add them to the orders. It will help you win chargebacks at least 90% of the time.

Deleted member 657006 · Sep 14, 2019

pp can be challenged just fight .

thing us all smm are illegal and break all website rules/tos so paypal hate them badly .

i personaly would show all the stats from when these oreders where made and hope for the best .....

danger .
be really carefull here ,paypal has a shit load of legal teams , they can get funny and report you for your smm services to websites your breaking there toc / rules , might stir issues just a warning , if the account, not real details who care but if all real be carefull, just saying think hard is it worth it.

i think ppl use escow only for this type of service ..... not 100% sure ...

unknownsmmers · Sep 14, 2019

Scorpion Ghost said:
So the situation is:

1) In January a guy bought services from my panel totaling $1,280 over 6 transactions
2) The other day he did a chargeback for all (item not received)
3) I responded to each chargeback
4) 5 of the chargebacks were refunded by PP, and 1 of them was changed to (item not as described)
5) I replied to the one that was changed, and PP sided with me and didn't refund him on that one (the smallest one, about $150)

Now, the 5 chargebacks that were refunded, I have the option to appeal them. I want to appeal them.

What do I provide PP? How to approach this? I have a long Skype convo with he guy, I have links, start counts, panel stuff.

How do I approach this?

p.s my PP got permanently suspended almost immediately after the guy did the chargebacks, so I'm not worried about the PP account, that's already lost. I'll just put up one last effort to keep that money, or at least some of it

Ha , ha , ha.
Guess fucking what dude.
This is ironic as hell,
Because here you're talking about all this
And there you're talking about all that
And here you've read too long with a beating heart beat worried what I have to say.

Good news champ.
1) call PayPal
2) explain the situation
3) say they paid you all these times , then disputed every single payment. Why would they keep paying into a scam? This user is abusing the dispute system
4) answer their questions
5) they'll close disputes
6) do not taunt abusive user, forget about it & Pat the dust off your shoulders.

Ha, ha, ha

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