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SmallWebKings SCAMMER!

Discussion in 'The Shit List' started by CardJY, Jun 1, 2013.

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  1. CardJY

    CardJY Junior Member

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    This is SmallWebKings profile link: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/646118-smallwebkings.html

    This is the link to his JV thread: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/joint-ventures/569913-many-cpa-accounts-jv-spilit.html

    I came to know SmallWebKings through one of my threads and I was looking for people who were willing to do CPA approvals.

    Eventually we came to a JV where he would provide me with CPA accounts while I pay him a fixed fee every month. It was good money for literall doing nothing if no CPA accounts had been banned,etc. Shitlist1.jpg

    I had given him a long list of CPA network accounts to get and he said he could get them easily since he used to be an affiliate manager at some network. Shitlist2.jpg

    Throughout the course of the JV, he keeps asking for money because he needed money to survive and out of pity I lended it to him, thinking that it would at least keep him going for the month and our JV can continue without problems. You can see after sending him the money, he thanks me.
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    At first, he provided me with some accounts but many of which were not in the list I had given him. I confront him many times about this. Some of the accounts he provided me also seemed to get banned after a while.

    He suddenly has this brilliant idea of using a CPA network as a front to get accounts from networks because it would make it more credible. I didn't like the idea, since he told me he could take care of everything himself and how he was an AM with many friends in the CPA industry. This was totally against our JV.
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    After a long while of not seeing accounts from him, I decide to give in. I went with the hasoffers trial and bought the domain names,etc. He told me that I would only need it for the trial and not have to go pass the 2nd month.
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    He proceeds to setup the network website and for a while I did not manage to monitor what he was doing. I contact him one day and finds that his plan only helped to get a few accounts, which was slow progress according to what he told me he could do. He tells me that we need to extend hasoffers past the 1st month because Affpaying would not put our review up because we were still new in the CPA arena. I believe him and let things slide. I even lend him another $50 because he apparently didn't have money for his bills. He also promises he will pay for the suscription of hasoffers in the 2nd month and asked me not to cancel.
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    One day I see this thread on the JV section: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...cpa-account-looking-long-term-jv-partner.html
    He was JV-ing accounts that were supposed to be for OUR JV out, along with MANY other network accounts that he never told me he had. I had a lot of questions and wanted to confront him about his motives.This made me furious and I was unable to contact him for a while. I threaten to cancel hasoffers on Skype and he gets back to me. We have an arguement and I wanted to call off the JV. He asks for some of his accounts back, I had no problems but I wanted my money back. He wanted me to hand over the accounts first before he would give me back my money. I had lended him the money without question first and he expects me to be the one getting the short end of the stick again? Fat chance.
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    I confront him about what he is doing and he gives me many bullshit reasons. He first tells me that he was making contact with JVs, which I don't understand why he has to.

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    I decide to give him 1 last chance, if it still didn't work out then the JV would be called off and he would have to return me all the money I had lend him when he needed them so urgently. Bad move. He assures me Affpaying will approve our network and we could get more accounts soon.

    About 1 week later, I don't see him online on Skype and I decide to wait a few days more. True enough, he deletes me off Skype and does not reply email or PMs sent here on BHW to him. I believe it is because Affpaying still did not put our network review up. He saw it coming and kicked me off first. By now, Hasoffers trial period was over and I was left with the bill while he took off. He also changed many of the login information that was used under MY hasoffer accounts to get. **More PROOF available, can't post due to maximum attachments per post**
     
  2. OldSalt

    OldSalt Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Ok, thread is approved.

    SmallWebKings' JV is closed until this is resolved. SmallWebKings Pm'd about this thread. He has 48 hours to respond.

    OS
     
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  3. CardJY

    CardJY Junior Member

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    Thanks Blackhat Marketing.

    I have nothing to hide. If smallwebkings has the guts, I dare him to get in contact with me. But like a coward he decides to delete me off Skype and not answer my emails and PMs.
     
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    TO ALL:

    This issue is between CardJY and SmallWebKings, and it is being handled/moderated
    by OldSalt. Please refrain from commenting on this thread unless you have some
    pertinent information to offer.

    Thank You - "Wiz"
     
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  5. smallwebkings

    smallwebkings BANNED BANNED

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    Great :D
    Pot calling the kettle Black.

    Sorry guys I can't be online anymore today because here is 9 PM ..
    I have sufficient proofs against him to show you guys and ya OldSalt please check your PM.
    And ya i'm ready to start conversation here if you guys want some fun :)
    TooUgly ..any one remember this name ...

    Have Fun
    Good Night :)
     
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    smallwebkings BANNED BANNED

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    And yeah please don't forget to tell CardJV to put our whole conversation here ..
    have fun
     
  7. CardJY

    CardJY Junior Member

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    Wow seriously? Then why delete me off Skype? Come and talk to me like a man. You want to talk logic? What does the action of deleting me off Skype imply? Do you have something to hide? Or just nothing to say?
     
  8. OldSalt

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    Got your PM smallwebkings but as I said in the reply, please post your info here (but remove personal info of course).

    Since it's late there, tomorrow morning is fine.

    Thanks,
    OS
    PS. CardJY and smallwebkings - Keep this professional - no more name calling, ok?
     
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  9. CardJY

    CardJY Junior Member

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    I agree that I may have been too trusting with him. He seemed trustworthy at first and never thought he would just delete me off skype like that. Right now I just want my money back, $350 I lent him + hasoffers suscription. Because of what he did, I scrapped my entire project which literally cost me thousands of dollars.

    I don't understand how he can be so self-righteous when he avoided my PMs,emails and deleted me off Skype. What else is there left to say ?
     
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  10. smallwebkings

    smallwebkings BANNED BANNED

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    Good Morning :)
    uummm I don't want to waste my time to take screen shots . So I thought i have to upload all conversation in mediafire in txt file ..
    and ya if you guys think I'm able to change texts so don't worry I can also change texts in screen shots.
    So what you want to see txt file or pics ?
    I like to go with txt ..
     
  11. OldSalt

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    smallwebkings, if you have anything that will counter what has been displayed above, I would suggest you get it displayed pronto. You've had plenty of time to do screenshots at this point and if you're saying that the above isn't 100% accurate, then you better get to it.

    I know your timezone based on your previous posting - Your deadline has not changed - you have 4 more hours to post your side. I will send this to you via PM as well.

    OS
     
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  12. smallwebkings

    smallwebkings BANNED BANNED

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    Okay Guys I don't want to write so much here.
    I deal CardJV for JV work but he want maximum and maximum accounts ,, as I feel he need more than 5k cpa account.
    yeah he pay me $350 but I already earn $500/day, Now you though if I earn $500 daily so why I emotional blackmail him for this $350 ? because i gave him cpa account as much as possible but he want total control on accounts like payment login details n all .. he don't want to share any detail with me so this is first point that's why I take $350 because I know he will cheat ..
    just see these screen shots and tell me :)



    *Attachments saved and removed by OS - due to name and emails being shown*



    Now tell me is he really serious to making money because he looks like other JV who lose their accounts from proxy conversions.
    if he really serious so why he force me time to time to getting more accounts where I gave him daily 1 or two accounts ?
    He crying because he pay me $350 but I did not after giving him more than 30+ accounts because I have patience.
    I do JV with 6 partners and they have no any payment issue with me but I'm looking for those who has GH trrafic because I know these JV's have no more life that's why I trust him but he behaves me like I'm his employee :D
    I have so many good accounts already like peerfly, NB, MB, CB etc etc but I did not give him because of his terms ..

    I change my plan after see his activity because he change all login info of than hasoffer and emails which I used there and also he change login info of CPA accounts which I apply from our hasoffer network.
    Was ready to cancell our deal and return his money and I ask about some CPA accounts to return me which approved from network name but he claim that the network accounts is his...
    Because i talk AMs to getting account from network name and I waste my time but he claim on those accounts so what I expect from him...

    I will upload our whole conversation n mediafire if you guys want to see ?
     
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    smallwebkings BANNED BANNED

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    i can't upload more screen shots so please don't tell me for more ..
    I'm ready to upload our whole conversation in txt file but not more Screen shots

    Thanks :)
     
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    Smallwebkings,

    Nothing I've seen so far disputes his claim that he paid you $350 and has received virtually nothing from your JV. In fact, you actually admit to something that he didn't even accuse - that you falsely used emotional blackmail to get $350 out of him. In a PM to me, you claimed you had information that would make me want to ban CardJy - was that a lie because so far all I see if you not giving him what you agreed to provide in your JV and you using 'emotional blackmail' to extort $350 out of him.

    Am I missing something?
     
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  15. smallwebkings

    smallwebkings BANNED BANNED

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    yes you missing one thing..
    I thought you know the price of one good CPA account.. and i give him so many accounts as my screen shot shows ..
    think if I did not trust him so why I give him accounts daily ?
    I'm not going to return his $350 because i give him accounts, may be I will earcn more than $1k if I sale such accounts. I just test him but he cheat me and selling accounts here without inform me and also he start JV threads for my accounts..

    I just post one thread in JV section which about CPA JV and he cancel deal after see my thread but before he already post about JV and selling accounts thread.

    So tell me who is wrong ...
    this $350 is just a charge of accounts nothing more and I'm not going to return amount because he did not ready to return my accounts which approved from network name ...
    I'll give his money back if he return these accounts which I talking about ..

    thanks :)
     
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    smallwebkings BANNED BANNED

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    and where is remaining screen shots ...
    because I post 9 pics here ???????????????
     
  17. CardJY

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    Firstly, if you are making $200 daily why did you beg me for money? Not only once but twice, both times sounding like you were so poor that you needed to pay off your BILLS. ** I just saw this as I was writing, you first wrote that you made $200 daily, now you edited it to $500 daily?** I didn't manage to take a screenshot, but in case anyone saw it also, please testify.

    Even before the JV, those were the conditions set and you agreed. In fact ALL conditions were laid out before the JV started.

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    As said before, what I am trying to accomplish requires MASSIVE number of accounts, this is what you initially told me. You only need 1-1.5 weeks to get the remaining accounts. In essence, you potrayed yourself to be so expert and efficient and that was what I demanded of you NATURALLY. How long did this stretch over? 2 months.(I will post the proof here if you want, I don't want to waste attachments on something this trivial)
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    I am not "crying" over the $350, but a scam is a scam. Why delete me off Skype and try to avoid me through all forms of communication? Many of the accounts you provided me were NOT on the list and I had no need for them. Proof right here. You constantly promised that you would be able to get the accounts, time and again you didn't produce. This was on more than 1 occassion.
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    I changed all the info because of the thread you had posted, right here: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...cpa-account-looking-long-term-jv-partner.html

    Once again, I had not heard about what you were planning to do and all of a sudden I see you post a thread JVing CPA accounts that
    1. You didn't tell me you had and all of a sudden you are JVing accounts from top tier networks
    2. familiar accounts at networks that you had just gotten

    Naturally I was afraid of what you would do and changed the information. You are leaving out the fact that we resolved that and I gave you access back to the emails,etc. After which, you completely vanished. If I were out to scam you, would I be such a fool to give you access again? Think about it.

    I have no problems giving you back all your personal accounts, because they rightfully belong to you. The accounts that were gotten under our network, although true that you were the one who managed to get them for me, these accounts were under my REAL name and God knows what you will do using my REAL name. Furthermore, I paid for hasoffers, the domain name and it was hosted on my servers.




    This entire episode has also wasted a lot of my time, not just yours. If you weren't planning to pay me back for hasoffers or the $350, you have no right to any accounts at our network. All I wanted was for you to return my money first before I returned your accounts. I had given you the money without question out of pity the first round, I believe it was only right that you return the favor this time.

    When all's said and done, you decided to run off and block me off Skype which there is NO justification for. If you had wanted to solve things, we could have talked it out, but instead you used the network that was registered under my real name, committed fraud, took my money and left me with a useless hasoffers suscription bill.



    If you are able to just take off like that, without any accountability to your JV, who knows when you will do it again to someone else. This right here shows that you were up to no good. I pray no one else ever JVs with you.

    OldSalt, I leave this for you to decide who is right.
     
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  18. CardJY

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    And let me add on, selling CPA accounts here on BHW is against the rules.

    I never sold ANY CPA account here, please watch what you say.
     
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    smallwebkings and CardJy,

    What I basically see is a failed JV with one exception - the $350.

    The accounts were agreed to be in CardJy's control and accounts from certain networks were desired by not delivered. All of that is basically a wash.

    The only exception I see to all of this is the $350. That's money that you admit to lying to CardJy to obtain.

    @smallwebkings - Simply put - if you want to keep your account - return that $350 immediately. You're making $200 a day, so that shouldn't be a problem, right?

    OS
     
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    I have no problem to return money but he has to return accounts to me which approved from name of hasoffers because this is main fight ...
    first he start lying me not me then I take action over him...
    and you cardJV as I say before I save your all domains and emails so beware from me because my only single post can block you from Cpa networks .. :)
    enjoy :)
     
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