CPANathan
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I'm just gonna leave you with the typical shady person's "What have I done to be shady" as I'm tired of trying to reason
Site developer redirected all my traffic?
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I'm just gonna leave you with the typical shady person's "What have I done to be shady" as I'm tired of trying to reason
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That even annoys me and it's not my site lol. I was hoping the site would die when you cut the traffic. Hopefully karma is a real thing and he gets a serious case of hemorrhoids or something.
CPANathan
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Yeah there's nothing I can really do about him stealing the traffic just get everyone that said to go to my site to say don't go to his site and go to our new one, after I figure out PHP and jQuery and sharpen my jS by the looks of it
Edit: I also wish for hemorrhoids on his behalf
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If kids are involved, their attention span is lower and they don't stick around. This is not a big issue. Only issue is if the site was really well made and dev earned his cut.
Also, please don't deflect what's BTB saying. He is in the game so long, and he knows what he is saying. Whatever your niche is, it won't last forever. Anything including kids monetization shouldn't be a career choice.
There are so many things that can and will go wrong when you are siding with the darker shade of gray hat. Even if nothing goes wrong, you are risking mental health issues, like realization that digital wall between you and your customers doesn't dehumanize the customers forever.
If you already made some stacks, it's a perfect chance to try something new. Don't end up being one trick pony, it's a sure way to fail at being full time digital professional.
Also, please don't deflect what's BTB saying. He is in the game so long, and he knows what he is saying. Whatever your niche is, it won't last forever. Anything including kids monetization shouldn't be a career choice.
There are so many things that can and will go wrong when you are siding with the darker shade of gray hat. Even if nothing goes wrong, you are risking mental health issues, like realization that digital wall between you and your customers doesn't dehumanize the customers forever.
If you already made some stacks, it's a perfect chance to try something new. Don't end up being one trick pony, it's a sure way to fail at being full time digital professional.
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And I'm tired of trying to show you how to operate as a proper business person.
patriotnews
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So you tried to cut a dude out of a deal you made with him but he ended up cutting you out of the deal? Guess you should have planned better at how to end the JV.
Here is the thing, he had everything and you felt 15% was too much? Why, was it crushing your profits, or you just didn't value their share? So, do you have 15% value on everything now?
Here is the thing, he had everything and you felt 15% was too much? Why, was it crushing your profits, or you just didn't value their share? So, do you have 15% value on everything now?
CPANathan
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As for everything to do with being a one trick pony, please read the original post. This site is our main site, we used any profits not needed to fund other projects; this being why recovering the site was important.
I'm not deflecting what he's saying, I'm trying to figure out what he's judging me on. I'm on neither side of the hat because I make every side money. My job is to make sure people on both sides of the digital wall or whatever color hat are earning what they earn. Getting fairly sick of this now
CPANathan
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Cutting would imply he had no choice in the matter, I'm the one that had no choice in the matter. I send all payments but there's no payments without a site, he took the site. If you read this thread you'll see what I'm saying, seems you might have skipped a line or two. Not being rude but in the same post that says I tried to buy out his 15% I also mention everything else I tried to do to get his 15% lower. Wasn't CRUSHING the profits, just was a huge amount to be paying out to someone that sits and watches me make him rich.
`or you just didn't value their share? So, do you have 15% value on everything now?` Yeah I didn't value his share at 15%, maybe when we were netting about 5k a month 15% was fine, but you know yourself those numbers just keep getting bigger and bigger and it becomes a hassle. I've got nothing on this site so I'll be listening to Shackz a bit more from now on
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So because the site was making more you valued his contributions less? But did it make $5k in the first month? Did it start banking instantly?
I can see you don't value what they were doing and the fact they had costs involved with hosting, registration, and such.
Dude you were paying 15%, of your claimed $12.5, that is $1,875...leaving you $10,625.
From my perspective, "buying me out" would cost 15-18x monthly(my share), so $28,000-$33,750(ball park for the payout you offered?) I'm going to guess just maybe not.
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You should have taken precautions. Before bringing up that you wanna reduce his 15%, you should have at least downloaded the website/template.
But it youre making this big money just pay someone to create the site again. Buy hosting and a domain name for a few bucks, and youre good to go.
But it youre making this big money just pay someone to create the site again. Buy hosting and a domain name for a few bucks, and youre good to go.
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I might've misunderstood something, but what's going on in this thread? OP is getting absolute shit on, by members on Blackhatworld. The irony is strong in this thread, I mean, we're doing fake CPA lockers and all types of shady shit here, but when he wants to change the 15% fee because it's getting too high, he's a horrible person? 
I can't even see why a web developer should get 15% of the monthly profits in the first place, I would just pay for the development upfront and have it done and over with.
Well, if his site hit $50k month, should the developer still get 15%? Doesn't make sense to me. On the other hand, I guess that's the amount they agreed on beforehand - But does that mean he can't discuss a new fee if the site is starting to make more money? If there was no contract, what's the problem? I must have missed something. I would personally never pay a developer 2k a month to create a site.
@CPANathan , I bet you could get the site made for the price of 1-2 month(s) of the 15% fee max, instead of paying that each and every month for no reason.
I can't even see why a web developer should get 15% of the monthly profits in the first place, I would just pay for the development upfront and have it done and over with.
Well, if his site hit $50k month, should the developer still get 15%? Doesn't make sense to me. On the other hand, I guess that's the amount they agreed on beforehand - But does that mean he can't discuss a new fee if the site is starting to make more money? If there was no contract, what's the problem? I must have missed something. I would personally never pay a developer 2k a month to create a site.
@CPANathan , I bet you could get the site made for the price of 1-2 month(s) of the 15% fee max, instead of paying that each and every month for no reason.
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He went into a deal with someone, he offered 15%, that's the deal. He didn't say, "15% unless we make more", he didn't pay a flat fee, he offered 15%. More than likely because he didn't want to pay anything if it tanked: no risk, all reward? Great plan.I might've misunderstood something, but what's going on in this thread? OP is getting absolute shit on, by members on Blackhatworld. The irony is strong in this thread, I mean, we're doing fake CPA lockers and all types of shady shit here, but when he wants to change the 15% fee because it's getting too high, he's a horrible person?
I can't even see why a web developer should get 15% of the monthly profits in the first place, I would just pay for the development upfront and have it done and over with.
Well, if his site hit $50k month, should the developer still get 15%? Doesn't make sense to me. On the other hand, I guess that's the amount they agreed on beforehand - But does that mean he can't discuss a new fee if the site is starting to make more money? If there was no contract, what's the problem? I must have missed something. I would personally never pay a developer 2k a month to create a site.
@CPANathan , I bet you could get the site made for the price of 1-2 month(s) of the 15% fee max, instead of paying that each and every month for no reason.
And cutting out a business partner, yeah... So if you went into business with someone, you fronted all startup, you get 15%, but suddenly it becomes successful, so they cut you out. You're cool like that? That is shitty business practices plain and simple.
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Lol this whole thread is really amusing, Mr CPA god here doesn't even own the domain names, nothing was in your name = it wasn't your site. Probably another side to this story that makes a bit more sense.
I might've misunderstood something, but what's going on in this thread? OP is getting absolute shit on, by members on Blackhatworld. The irony is strong in this thread, I mean, we're doing fake CPA lockers and all types of shady shit here, but when he wants to change the 15% fee because it's getting too high, he's a horrible person?
I can't even see why a web developer should get 15% of the monthly profits in the first place, I would just pay for the development upfront and have it done and over with.
Well, if his site hit $50k month, should the developer still get 15%? Doesn't make sense to me. On the other hand, I guess that's the amount they agreed on beforehand - But does that mean he can't discuss a new fee if the site is starting to make more money? If there was no contract, what's the problem? I must have missed something. I would personally never pay a developer 2k a month to create a site.
@CPANathan , I bet you could get the site made for the price of 1-2 month(s) of the 15% fee max, instead of paying that each and every month for no reason.
the people in bhw are just shitting on his business practice in which in the first place they agreed that it will be 15% of total profit. There was no ceiling that they had to abandon their agreement so whatever profit is made it's going to be 15%.
If I was OP he should have just hired a developer rather than looking for a partner.
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I'm happy to clarify this irony for you. I got to know quite a few people around here, and let's define what blackhat in forum domain means.I might've misunderstood something, but what's going on in this thread? OP is getting absolute shit on, by members on Blackhatworld. The irony is strong in this thread, I mean, we're doing fake CPA lockers and all types of shady shit here, but when he wants to change the 15% fee because it's getting too high, he's a horrible person?
Blackhat refers to SEO practice - gaming ranking of your site in order to get bigger traffic. This has nothing to do with what happens from the moment visitor is already there. Scamming your visitors is not what majority of people here do. People who actually make stable money for several years here are striving towards business models that make their customers happy. It is misconception that content lockers MUST SCAM people who complete them. Every network will tell you not to do it, barely tolerates it, and sometimes prohibit it.
Now let's talk about "shady shit" and concept of horrible person. It's up to you to define your moral compass. Truth is, if you want to cooperate with fellow BHW members, it will help limiting "shady shit" only towards big corporations. If you appear as someone who is ready to backstab small businesses or ordinary people, chance of actually getting help when you need it drops significantly.
BHW as forum condones wild west behavior of I do what I can pull off, and tries to uphold reputation of safe ground for internet marketeers collaboration.
CPANathan
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Y'all getting confused again, bringing up the wrong topics too. For anyone that is still complaining, you need to read back on what I actually said not what you interpreted.
@Stackz
All earnings go through me, if I didn't want him to have his 15% I could've snatched it right up. Instead he redirected all traffic to his site because I asked him if I could lower his rate because a lot more people need money than the need for him to take such a high %, Above is AdGate and AdSense alone for previous months before things got removed.
`And cutting out a business partner, yeah... So if you went into business with someone, you fronted all startup, you get 15%, but suddenly it becomes successful, so they cut you out. You're cool like that? That is shitty business practices plain and simple.` This is what I mean by read back on things properly.
Did you go through this thread and pick out random points and flip them around?
Literally only listening to Stackz from now on, chap is the only person that can understand what I'm saying
@Stackz
All earnings go through me, if I didn't want him to have his 15% I could've snatched it right up. Instead he redirected all traffic to his site because I asked him if I could lower his rate because a lot more people need money than the need for him to take such a high %, Above is AdGate and AdSense alone for previous months before things got removed.`And cutting out a business partner, yeah... So if you went into business with someone, you fronted all startup, you get 15%, but suddenly it becomes successful, so they cut you out. You're cool like that? That is shitty business practices plain and simple.` This is what I mean by read back on things properly.
Did you go through this thread and pick out random points and flip them around?
Literally only listening to Stackz from now on, chap is the only person that can understand what I'm saying
Man, screwing your partner who actually helped you get to that numbers (because let's be honest he must have his own contribution, even if its minimal) is nothing compared screwing big corporations.
You are totally wrong here, i guess you cannot put yourself in your partner's position
You are totally wrong here, i guess you cannot put yourself in your partner's position
CPANathan
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I didn't try screwing him I asked him to lower his percentage and he redirected all of MY traffic, fair enough he made a site but damn he shouldn't have been on 5 figures a month for making a decent enough site. The 5 figures could've gone to anything to build our name up more, as we had planned.
I offered to lower his percentage & give him a flat fee right there, I offered to buy it out, I offered to work out something so he took the whole 100%. And I'm totally wrong
Why didnt you cut your percentage? And who's judging that he actually doesn't deserve this revenue?
Maybe with another developer you would have gotten half the profit.
Anyway, the point is that a partnership is a contract. You can not just wake up one day and say i am cutting his %. This is an authoritarian technique not used in JVs. You could offer him a flat price to buy his percentage or something like a stock.