I wanted to throw a feeler out on BHW and see what's available for SEO. We're looking to get a website optimized to the first page of insurance related keywords - new site. It's a tough industry (competition wise), but we're in it for the long haul (we have long term buyers for our insurance leads). To date we've only used white hat SEO freelancers, but I guess I'm open to both whitehatters and you "evil" blackhatters - as long as the leads that follow are actually legit. I'm open to anything...it's all about results. Interested to know a quote, and what timeframe we would be looking at for getting results. PM me with your messenger if you want to chat.