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SEO Myth Busting 01 - Keyword Density

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by hacko, Aug 6, 2017.

  1. KHer0

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    Just to save my time typing, I would love to quote @Nargil
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    I agree with him 100% ... Keyword density is one of the most important On page optimization factors nowdays. Screw it up and you are gone.

    The problem you took it from the wrong angle. You don't need keyword in content to rank using two of the most authoritative websites on the web as example.

    Actually, it matters cuz it's the easiest and fastest way to get over-optimization penalty. This is actually what 85% of SEO'rs problem. For me, if my page doesn't appear in top 50 for medium to competitive keywords, or to 30 for weak to med competition keywords, I know there is something wrong with my article.

    Yet, many people are happy with their page appearing in +100 position and go buying all types of links to rank! They are under over-optimization penalty.

    So, keyword density matters, and matter A LOT, more than heading, and more than anchors and more a lot of other things. Screw it, and you just made things 10 times harder.
     
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    That's an absolutely wrong mindset.
    Tons of authority sites could easily X10 their income by following basic and known SEO practices, but they many times ignore it and don't use their full potential.
    What you are doing here is copying their MISTAKES assuming it is right because they are authority sites, that's wrong mate.

    I will give you an example of how much money those sites lose, if you will check top competitive keywords you will obviously see authority sites in the top 5, however, in most cases they don't rank Featured Snippets and therefore losing more than half of the traffic. Now even though they make tons of money by taking just a piece of the traffic from tons of kw, this is wrong attitude and you shouldn't copy it and stop caring about Featured Snippets (just an example) because they don't care too.

    You should use tactics that were working and proven on AVERAGE sites (not authoritysite) on your authorithy sites, this is probably the best attitude.
     
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  4. RafaViQ

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    What do you do when your page doesn't appear in top 50? Do you change your keyword density?
    I have been struggling recently, my new sites aren't ranking and the competition is really, really low. They don't even appear on the top 100.
     
  5. KHer0

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    Read the whole thread ( All the OP replies)
    https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/phpbuilts-idiot-proof-guide-to-authority-site-building.631067/

    Take notes, read it again, make sure you grasped it well.. And you will be good to go
     
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    So lets say for a 700 words article, and lets say I have 3 word keyword. I know it depends on niche, but using keyword 4 times, is it good starting point?

    I usually use something like 4-6 mentions on 400 words, but this is now on a new site I am trying to rank now.
     
  7. Nargil

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    Read this - https://www.sendspace.com/file/ximzjp
     
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    yes. + the less authority website u have = the more vulnerable it is for onpage issues. the bigger offsite density u have, the more vulnerable u are for onpage penalties.

    but thats eassssy. somehow most people that try seo always get onpage penalties LOL.


    meanwhile me harvest tumblr
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  9. KHer0

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    I agree with every single word u said (Y)
     
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    Your examples are wired.com not needing keywords. You're right, any website with the authority of wired.com doesn't have to worry about keywords so much. Most people who are reading this thread aren't working with that level of authority, however.

    Thanks @Nargil for pasting that image from my 2015 on-page guide, it's exactly right ... better your content less links you need.

    https://www.sendspace.com/file/ximzjp (page 3) and thanks again for uploading it Nargil ... site I used to host it on I let expire hehe.

    Keyword density in 2017:

    Big competition pages that you're trying very hard to rank on a highly competitive term: do what your competitors do, I usually go by median keyword use of the top 10 ... and make sure I'm using all the same LSI terms of the top 20, and if your page has a -10 or -20 or whatever filter, tweak densities erring on the side that's closer to the keyword densities I recommend in the guide.

    Random web pages that you just want to rank better but don't want to invest much analysis time: just do the keyword densities the guide suggests.
     
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  11. Nargil

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    Look who is alive lol. Good to see you. :)

    And yeh, we had to dig that guide out via Archive.org. It still serves and works. :)
     
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    yeah. density is dead bro.

    . I and @phpbuilt posted lots of posts it aint. seems were are all "dead" too.

    can so. post some facepalm now?
     
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    yes. get rid of you fucking exact anchors.

    in end of 2016 and start of 2017 I did a ton of cases, different niches, keywords and shit.
    and % matters up to +-80 I recall.

    but, seo is dead. and densitiy too.
     
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    @phpbuilt

    Wow, look who is here :D, u hav no idea how many times I linked to ur thread.

    Thnx for saving us a lot of headache teaching about kw densities
     
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    From my experience the lower the exact match anchor text the greater KW density you need/can have before being punished and vice versa. These rules obviously don't apply to authority sites that can easily get away with 4% KW density and 50%+ exact match anchors.

    If you want to rank with pretty much any KW density then you'll just need to keep firing a lot of links at your homepage with branded anchors and raw urls.
     
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    I have been trying to rank a keyword for several months without success until I stumbled upon phpbuilt's guide. I must confirm that keyword density is an important part for ranking at least in some niches. In one case the optimal density for one of my keyword is 0.55. With that number I am in top 3 of serp and even have position 0. However, ever each time I go a lit higher, i lost the ranking and I can quickly recover my ranking by readjusting the keyword density. So for me and probably for many wise people here, keyword density is an important part of ranking. Besides links, it the first thing I try to get right.

    In my experience, there is no exact keyword density. Each situation is different and depends on what off page seo you have done to your site. You have try different number until you get it right.

    What blind a lot of people here is to find sites with keyword density 0 and ranking high and they go and say it is dead. There are a lot of such sites. they are probably ranking because of their authority, overall backlink profile. Off course, if you can get powerful links you can rank anything but for the average small niche site, keyword density should be taken into consideration. If you are not ranking, twist your keyword density and see what happen. I lost a lot of time until I discover this trick.

    A lot of people on this forum are victim of own attitudes. They don't want to try guides that respectable members have genuinely shared here. In consequence, they fall victim to some sort seo conspiracy theories that are total bullshit.
     
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    Authority is really important it what keeps you alive sure it should corresponds with good quality content.
     
  18. Nargil

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    Thank you for this valuable post. It completely changed my approach to SEO!
     
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    Did some changes to my sites. Will update any progress.
    Thanks guys!
     
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    I just want to say 3 things...

    Thanks @phpbuilt for sharing the info about keyword density
    Thanks @Nargil for letting me find this info
    If you're doing SEO this info is f*cking G-O-L-D, small changes can have a huge impact
     
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