SEO Myth Busting 01 - Keyword Density

Just to save my time typing, I would love to quote @Nargil
Sorry, but I do not agree with most of the things in the article. Been working and tweaking my densities for years and it's (miraculously), one of the aspects that Google hasn't changed at all in years. And yes, this comes from experience and is not based on theory
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I agree with him 100% ... Keyword density is one of the most important On page optimization factors nowdays. Screw it up and you are gone.

The problem you took it from the wrong angle. You don't need keyword in content to rank using two of the most authoritative websites on the web as example.

Actually, it matters cuz it's the easiest and fastest way to get over-optimization penalty. This is actually what 85% of SEO'rs problem. For me, if my page doesn't appear in top 50 for medium to competitive keywords, or to 30 for weak to med competition keywords, I know there is something wrong with my article.

Yet, many people are happy with their page appearing in +100 position and go buying all types of links to rank! They are under over-optimization penalty.

So, keyword density matters, and matter A LOT, more than heading, and more than anchors and more a lot of other things. Screw it, and you just made things 10 times harder.
 
You can't, but authority sites are what you want to be building so why not follow what they are doing? We're trying to outrank those exact same authority sites - having the keyword mentioned a few extra times won't do that.

That's an absolutely wrong mindset.
Tons of authority sites could easily X10 their income by following basic and known SEO practices, but they many times ignore it and don't use their full potential.
What you are doing here is copying their MISTAKES assuming it is right because they are authority sites, that's wrong mate.

I will give you an example of how much money those sites lose, if you will check top competitive keywords you will obviously see authority sites in the top 5, however, in most cases they don't rank Featured Snippets and therefore losing more than half of the traffic. Now even though they make tons of money by taking just a piece of the traffic from tons of kw, this is wrong attitude and you shouldn't copy it and stop caring about Featured Snippets (just an example) because they don't care too.

You should use tactics that were working and proven on AVERAGE sites (not authoritysite) on your authorithy sites, this is probably the best attitude.
 
Just to save my time typing, I would love to quote @Nargil
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I agree with him 100% ... Keyword density is one of the most important On page optimization factors nowdays. Screw it up and you are gone.

The problem you took it from the wrong angle. You don't need keyword in content to rank using two of the most authoritative websites on the web as example.

Actually, it matters cuz it's the easiest and fastest way to get over-optimization penalty. This is actually what 85% of SEO'rs problem. For me, if my page doesn't appear in top 50 for medium to competitive keywords, or to 30 for weak to med competition keywords, I know there is something wrong with my article.

Yet, many people are happy with their page appearing in +100 position and go buying all types of links to rank! They are under over-optimization penalty.

So, keyword density matters, and matter A LOT, more than heading, and more than anchors and more a lot of other things. Screw it, and you just made things 10 times harder.
What do you do when your page doesn't appear in top 50? Do you change your keyword density?
I have been struggling recently, my new sites aren't ranking and the competition is really, really low. They don't even appear on the top 100.
 
Every niche has it's own ideal density, that's how Google works. Compare hack crack niches, compare some "calm" amazon niches, compare wordpress theme niches and there will be a world of difference between them.

So lets say for a 700 words article, and lets say I have 3 word keyword. I know it depends on niche, but using keyword 4 times, is it good starting point?

I usually use something like 4-6 mentions on 400 words, but this is now on a new site I am trying to rank now.
 
Just to save my time typing, I would love to quote @Nargil
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I agree with him 100% ... Keyword density is one of the most important On page optimization factors nowdays. Screw it up and you are gone.

The problem you took it from the wrong angle. You don't need keyword in content to rank using two of the most authoritative websites on the web as example.

Actually, it matters cuz it's the easiest and fastest way to get over-optimization penalty. This is actually what 85% of SEO'rs problem. For me, if my page doesn't appear in top 50 for medium to competitive keywords, or to 30 for weak to med competition keywords, I know there is something wrong with my article.

Yet, many people are happy with their page appearing in +100 position and go buying all types of links to rank! They are under over-optimization penalty.

So, keyword density matters, and matter A LOT, more than heading, and more than anchors and more a lot of other things. Screw it, and you just made things 10 times harder.

yes. + the less authority website u have = the more vulnerable it is for onpage issues. the bigger offsite density u have, the more vulnerable u are for onpage penalties.

but thats eassssy. somehow most people that try seo always get onpage penalties LOL.


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yes. + the less authority website u have = the more vulnerable it is for onpage issues. the bigger offsite density u have, the more vulnerable u are for onpage penalties.

but thats eassssy. somehow most people that try seo always get onpage penalties LOL.


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I agree with every single word u said (Y)
 
Your examples are wired.com not needing keywords. You're right, any website with the authority of wired.com doesn't have to worry about keywords so much. Most people who are reading this thread aren't working with that level of authority, however.

Thanks @Nargil for pasting that image from my 2015 on-page guide, it's exactly right ... better your content less links you need.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/ximzjp (page 3) and thanks again for uploading it Nargil ... site I used to host it on I let expire hehe.

Keyword density in 2017:

Big competition pages that you're trying very hard to rank on a highly competitive term: do what your competitors do, I usually go by median keyword use of the top 10 ... and make sure I'm using all the same LSI terms of the top 20, and if your page has a -10 or -20 or whatever filter, tweak densities erring on the side that's closer to the keyword densities I recommend in the guide.

Random web pages that you just want to rank better but don't want to invest much analysis time: just do the keyword densities the guide suggests.
 
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Your examples are wired.com not needing keywords. You're right, any website with the authority of wired.com doesn't have to worry about keywords so much. Most people who are reading this thread aren't working with that level of authority, however.

Thanks @Nargil for pasting that image from my 2015 on-page guide, it's exactly right ... better your content less links you need.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/ximzjp (page 3) and thanks again for uploading it Nargil ... site I used to host it on I let expire hehe.

Keyword density in 2017: do what your competitors do, I usually go by median keyword use of the top 10 ... and make sure I'm using all the same LSI terms of the top 20, and if your page has a -10 or -20 or whatever filter, tweak densities erring on the side that's closer to the keyword densities I recommend in the guide.

Look who is alive lol. Good to see you. :)

And yeh, we had to dig that guide out via Archive.org. It still serves and works. :)
 
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Keyword density isn't a thing anymore. Stop wasting your time on it.

yeah. density is dead bro.

. I and @phpbuilt posted lots of posts it aint. seems were are all "dead" too.

can so. post some facepalm now?

What do you do when your page doesn't appear in top 50? Do you change your keyword density?
I have been struggling recently, my new sites aren't ranking and the competition is really, really low. They don't even appear on the top 100.

yes. get rid of you fucking exact anchors.

in end of 2016 and start of 2017 I did a ton of cases, different niches, keywords and shit.
and % matters up to +-80 I recall.

but, seo is dead. and densitiy too.
 
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From my experience the lower the exact match anchor text the greater KW density you need/can have before being punished and vice versa. These rules obviously don't apply to authority sites that can easily get away with 4% KW density and 50%+ exact match anchors.

If you want to rank with pretty much any KW density then you'll just need to keep firing a lot of links at your homepage with branded anchors and raw urls.
 
I have been trying to rank a keyword for several months without success until I stumbled upon phpbuilt's guide. I must confirm that keyword density is an important part for ranking at least in some niches. In one case the optimal density for one of my keyword is 0.55. With that number I am in top 3 of serp and even have position 0. However, ever each time I go a lit higher, i lost the ranking and I can quickly recover my ranking by readjusting the keyword density. So for me and probably for many wise people here, keyword density is an important part of ranking. Besides links, it the first thing I try to get right.

In my experience, there is no exact keyword density. Each situation is different and depends on what off page seo you have done to your site. You have try different number until you get it right.

What blind a lot of people here is to find sites with keyword density 0 and ranking high and they go and say it is dead. There are a lot of such sites. they are probably ranking because of their authority, overall backlink profile. Off course, if you can get powerful links you can rank anything but for the average small niche site, keyword density should be taken into consideration. If you are not ranking, twist your keyword density and see what happen. I lost a lot of time until I discover this trick.

A lot of people on this forum are victim of own attitudes. They don't want to try guides that respectable members have genuinely shared here. In consequence, they fall victim to some sort seo conspiracy theories that are total bullshit.
 
It's that time of the month again, so I got me a six pack again and about to drop some knawledge on y'all. I'm going to talk about keyword density and why Google couldn't give less of a fuck about it these days.

First of all, don't get me wrong. Keywords are important. Disregard them and you're obviously screwed. However, keyword density really isn't. We're done with that. It's gone, bye, ciao, sayonara.

Why, you ask?
Google is still just an algorithm - it just isn't so stupid nowadays. Whether you have your keyword in your article 0.5% or 1.5% of the full word count doesn't matter at all. What if your keyword was five words, compared to three? Is there a magical number? Do you need more content in order to have the perfect keyword density to match the number of words? Do qualifiers and stop words count? These are all stupid questions that we shouldn't be asking ourselves - at least not anymore.

If anything, mentioning "why do I have a wart on my balls" multiple times in your ball warts article is only going to hurt your ranks. It doesn't look natural at all (then again, are warts?) and probably even having it in your content more than once could hurt your ranks.

An IRL Example
You don't have to take my word on this. Let's take a look at one of the more popular drones out there, the DJI Phantom 4. The keyword "DJI Phantom 4 Review" has 2900 monthly searches and KWFinder gives it a difficulty of 57. While I'm all about manually double checking your keywords and SERPs, anything over 40 competitiveness I'll take KWFinder's word on it I would never waste my time with it.

So, let's see who actually IS ranking for it.

We have TheVerge.com on #1 with https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/10/11193354/dji-phantom-4-drone-review

Where is the keyword found on their page? It's in the H1 heading and the permalink of the page and that's it. Go ahead and do a CTRL + F to see how many times you find it.

On #4 we have https://www.wired.com/2016/04/review-dji-phantom-4/ - they don't even have the keyword anywhere - not in this particular order of words, anyway. There H1 heading says "Review: DJI Phantom 4" and that's in their permalink also. Google knows what this page is about even if you don't have the exact words arranged the way All-in-one SEO and Yoast would tell you to do so. And I bet if you went and re-optimized everything doing what these plugins recommend, it wouldn't change shit.


The Business Insider page on #9 - same thing. You won't find the exact keyword even once.

So, what DOES actually matter?
Headings
Mr @Ste Fishkin's husband would probably disagree with me on this, but hear me out. Headings do fucking matter. Why wouldn't you want your keyword in your title? I've had low competition keywords rank on the first couple pages with almost no content JUST by having the proper title/heading/permalink structure. Rand can fuck off (not really, I think he's great).

This is especially important with lower competition keywords. Get your headings right and tell Google what your site is about and you might actually rank better.

I personally like to target the main keyword in an H1 and a bunch of secondary/long tail ones in H2 headings. @validseo made a great thread on this https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/kicking-your-ass-with-data.918419/ - he basically says that H2 headings do matter, and it's based on data.


Permalinks

This one is rather stupid, but it is what it is. Same as headings, your URL does tell Google what a certain page is about. It isn't that hard to do right - so do it.

Meta

The meta title is usually the H1 heading (as in the drone sites examples above). However, having "DJI Phantom 4 Review" in the meta description may or may not look natural. Google already knows what your site is about if you have it in a heading, title and permalink. You don't have to keep repeating it.

Relevancy

This is a huge one. Having a robotic article with no relevant content and supporting keywords won't cut in anymore. You need RELEVANT, engaging content. Mention as many features and do as many comparisons as you can. Having other relevant keywords will tell Google that your article might actually help someone. You will also rank for a bunch of long tail keywords you never intended to rank for.

Exact match keywords in the domain name don't matter neither. Niche relevant keywords do - a partial match domain will often do better than an exact match. You see the same thing happening with content.

Authority
Last but not least. Like it or not, this is where all SEO is going. Consumer Reports will rank for everything and anything while barely mentioning the keyword itself and you shitty new little site won't. Accept this now and start building up authority in a niche you want to dominate tomorrow or you will cry with every next algo update.

Wrapping up
It hurts me to see plugins like Yoast SEO (which is actually great, by the way) still take keyword density into consideration. It's not a thing anymore bro, get over it.

Before anyone starts bitching - yes, there are going to be cases when you will have the absolute perfect 1.5% keyword density and the site will be ranking well. Doesn't mean it's ranking well because of keyword density and correlation doesn't equal causation. Just because you see all the page 1 sites ranking for "best toilets" have the perfect onpage keyword density for that keyword, it doesn't mean that their "good" keyword density has anything to do with it, nor does it mean that a higher density isn't actually hurting their ranks.

Keyword density isn't a thing anymore. Stop wasting your time on it.
Authority is really important it what keeps you alive sure it should corresponds with good quality content.
 
Authority is really important it what keeps you alive sure it should corresponds with good quality content.

Thank you for this valuable post. It completely changed my approach to SEO!
 
Did some changes to my sites. Will update any progress.
Thanks guys!
 
I just want to say 3 things...

Thanks @phpbuilt for sharing the info about keyword density
Thanks @Nargil for letting me find this info
If you're doing SEO this info is f*cking G-O-L-D, small changes can have a huge impact
 
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