SEO is not for WHINEBAGS!!!
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OP, This post would be much better if you highlighted what link types, in terms of quality work for which niches from your personal experience (obviously broadly speaking). So far, what i have read into the post is that SEO works. i think many people still know that.
zebrahat
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The decision to build backlinks with tools need not cost anything if you are picking up the software/bots from download shares. Making a decision to proceed with a strategy, and using the tools the best or right way is the most important step. Note the problems, yes, but move forward!
jvmarket
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50cent....I really did not start the thread to gain your approval. Like I mentioned in the opening post. If I were promoting sites in the payday loans, porn, pills and gambling niches I would ramp up xrumer, gsa and the like. For local businesses I would look for sites that are local to get backlinks from, might even do a little video marketing as well as article marketing.
My point in posting this thread is that this is a business and needs to be treated as such. If I wanted to run a carpet cleaning business I would have to learn how to clean carpets...that would require me spending some time and money to learn how to do it. Then I would have to spend time and money learning how to run the business properly.
SEO and internet marketing are the same...you need to spend time and money learning the business. You can not just go to one of your competitors and say....please tell me all your secrets so I can steal your business.
There is already enough information on this one forum alone to enable someone to start and run a successful internet marketing company. No one needs me or anyone else to spoon feed them.
Now if you want me to spoon feed you then you'll have to pay me the same amount my clients pay if they are not under contract with our company for SEO services and that ain't cheap.
jvmarket
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now that's some good stuff right there...:third:
i wasn't tryin to ruffle your feathers here, if i did then it wasn't the plan I must have missed the part about firing up rummer etc for whatever niche you mentioned above for link building. I am not personally after the knowledge as thankfully i have managed to get a bit of an insight into what works and what doesn't. I was just saying it'd be even nicer to know that after the recent updates, my experience is that G expects a different profile of links to compete against the bigger brand names and competitive industries than smaller niches.
To throw my 2 cents in (with your permission) here's my experience. I still rank page 1 for smaller niches for not so "high quality" links. By that i mean, directories, forums, article posts, a few social bookmarks and blog posts. The key for me has been to control the pace and add some articles to your site when you can.
For bigger sites, the game is different. It IS good quality that G wants and from the tests i have done, i have had to work on good quality links from sites that have NOT been slapped. That is a critical factor and probably the most difficult to figure out what site has been slapped (because good PR is no longer an indication of a sites quality). Other than that, buy links if you can from quality sites and combine them with guests posts, good site content, good article sites and lower profile links.
The above may differ from your approach but i'm throwing my 2cents to illustrate that it's not too hard to offer "free" advice. If it helps someone, then great, it doesn't effect me in anyway. If its come across as i am having a dig at your thread, then sorry, i didn't mean to, i just reckoned some members here will find an in depth look at link types useful. If not apologies and i will move on because i won't want one of these "i know more about seo" debates.
cheers and good luck
To throw my 2 cents in (with your permission) here's my experience. I still rank page 1 for smaller niches for not so "high quality" links. By that i mean, directories, forums, article posts, a few social bookmarks and blog posts. The key for me has been to control the pace and add some articles to your site when you can.
For bigger sites, the game is different. It IS good quality that G wants and from the tests i have done, i have had to work on good quality links from sites that have NOT been slapped. That is a critical factor and probably the most difficult to figure out what site has been slapped (because good PR is no longer an indication of a sites quality). Other than that, buy links if you can from quality sites and combine them with guests posts, good site content, good article sites and lower profile links.
The above may differ from your approach but i'm throwing my 2cents to illustrate that it's not too hard to offer "free" advice. If it helps someone, then great, it doesn't effect me in anyway. If its come across as i am having a dig at your thread, then sorry, i didn't mean to, i just reckoned some members here will find an in depth look at link types useful. If not apologies and i will move on because i won't want one of these "i know more about seo" debates.
cheers and good luck
jvmarket
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You?re absolutely right 50cent?it?s not too hard to offer free advice. The problem with free advice is that it is normally worth the price you pay for it. Which is to say, it?s worth zero.
Here is why it is almost impossible for anyone to teach people about SEO in a forum, it?s easy to give high level info but impossible to get a step by step guide or to say what will work in every situation.
Because doing the same thing over and over on every site doesn?t produce the same results every time. It could be that you are in a different niche, a different city if you?re doing local stuff or it could be the way you create the content to be published. If you follow a step-by-step approach to SEO if will fail more often than not.
I know that is not the standard answer in the SEO world and on the many SEO forums but that?s the fact of life.
Now back to your point, high level SEO strategies. I?m going to pick on a clickbank product first. Let?s choose something in the weight loss field seeing as how that?s going to be pretty popular for the next few weeks.
After I figured out what product I was going to promote I would build me a keyword list using the product name along with the various longtails that go with it. (product review, product reviews, product trial and so one)
Now I would look at the top 3 search results for each of those keywords. Once I had that list I would find out the backlinks to those sites and analyze them. Once I finished that I would know the types of links that need to be built to compete in that niche.
Now if you?ve doing this as long as I have then you can have some pretty educated guesses as to what type of SEO tactics you will need to rank a site. (though I have been surprised at times) But you still have to test and monitor what you are doing if you want effective results.
For the stuff that we spam we use some of the tools available on this forum as well as others. Building the list of backlink targets is critical to the success of any campaign. So?we have our list segmented out based on platforms so that once we determine the type of links to push our sites to the top we just get after it.
I hear the term quality backlinks bounced around quite a bit these days?exactly what does that mean? That?s a very good question?to me it means one thing to you something else and to Diamond Dave something completely different.
Here is an example of a shitty link. You grab whatever PLR content you can find on here then you run it through The Best Spinner and now you have some marked up garbage that you think will make the search engines happy. You spin out 1000 articles that you are going to go post all over the web.
You go out and post these articles using whatever toys you have and you see a bump in your site?you hit page 1?outfreakinstanding, tomorrow you wake up and your site is in never never land. It did not take the search engines long to determine that all the links back to your site were surrounded but duplicate crap content and those pages are no longer indexed.
Last year blog networks were all the rage?.they were everywhere and people were making a killing off them. Because the owners of these networks got greedy and stupid they left a trail a mile wide the big G could follow?and follow they did. Between the arrogance of the network owners and the crappy content being published we saw widespread bloodshed across the internet.
Now everyone is saying blog networks are bad for you sites (whichever animal update that was)?stupidity is bad for your website, not blog networks. Let you in on a little secret?we didn?t have the same issues as a lot of others did.
Let me hit on article marketing and web 2.0 sites before I call it a day?When you publish good content to the various sites you will see great results. Most of the bigger sites have gone to great lengths to make sure the content you post is high quality and original?.like to know why? Ask the folks over at ezinearticles they got hammered in the rankings because of lax quality control and it cost the millions?.now you know why they are such a pain in the ass about their TOS. Squidoo got blasted as well?they were even more lax and guys like me abused the hell out of them. Now they are not such the authority site though they still carry some good link juice.
You are not going to learn this trade overnight and the only way you learn is by doing. If you are new to all this then make you first site easy. Pick an affiliate product that no one else is promoting that you can make a few bucks off of and get your start that way. As your skills increase, pick something harder. If you?re persistent with, it then in time, you can make as much money as you like.
Have a Happy New Years Everyone!!!
Here is why it is almost impossible for anyone to teach people about SEO in a forum, it?s easy to give high level info but impossible to get a step by step guide or to say what will work in every situation.
Because doing the same thing over and over on every site doesn?t produce the same results every time. It could be that you are in a different niche, a different city if you?re doing local stuff or it could be the way you create the content to be published. If you follow a step-by-step approach to SEO if will fail more often than not.
I know that is not the standard answer in the SEO world and on the many SEO forums but that?s the fact of life.
Now back to your point, high level SEO strategies. I?m going to pick on a clickbank product first. Let?s choose something in the weight loss field seeing as how that?s going to be pretty popular for the next few weeks.
After I figured out what product I was going to promote I would build me a keyword list using the product name along with the various longtails that go with it. (product review, product reviews, product trial and so one)
Now I would look at the top 3 search results for each of those keywords. Once I had that list I would find out the backlinks to those sites and analyze them. Once I finished that I would know the types of links that need to be built to compete in that niche.
Now if you?ve doing this as long as I have then you can have some pretty educated guesses as to what type of SEO tactics you will need to rank a site. (though I have been surprised at times) But you still have to test and monitor what you are doing if you want effective results.
For the stuff that we spam we use some of the tools available on this forum as well as others. Building the list of backlink targets is critical to the success of any campaign. So?we have our list segmented out based on platforms so that once we determine the type of links to push our sites to the top we just get after it.
I hear the term quality backlinks bounced around quite a bit these days?exactly what does that mean? That?s a very good question?to me it means one thing to you something else and to Diamond Dave something completely different.
Here is an example of a shitty link. You grab whatever PLR content you can find on here then you run it through The Best Spinner and now you have some marked up garbage that you think will make the search engines happy. You spin out 1000 articles that you are going to go post all over the web.
You go out and post these articles using whatever toys you have and you see a bump in your site?you hit page 1?outfreakinstanding, tomorrow you wake up and your site is in never never land. It did not take the search engines long to determine that all the links back to your site were surrounded but duplicate crap content and those pages are no longer indexed.
Last year blog networks were all the rage?.they were everywhere and people were making a killing off them. Because the owners of these networks got greedy and stupid they left a trail a mile wide the big G could follow?and follow they did. Between the arrogance of the network owners and the crappy content being published we saw widespread bloodshed across the internet.
Now everyone is saying blog networks are bad for you sites (whichever animal update that was)?stupidity is bad for your website, not blog networks. Let you in on a little secret?we didn?t have the same issues as a lot of others did.
Let me hit on article marketing and web 2.0 sites before I call it a day?When you publish good content to the various sites you will see great results. Most of the bigger sites have gone to great lengths to make sure the content you post is high quality and original?.like to know why? Ask the folks over at ezinearticles they got hammered in the rankings because of lax quality control and it cost the millions?.now you know why they are such a pain in the ass about their TOS. Squidoo got blasted as well?they were even more lax and guys like me abused the hell out of them. Now they are not such the authority site though they still carry some good link juice.
You are not going to learn this trade overnight and the only way you learn is by doing. If you are new to all this then make you first site easy. Pick an affiliate product that no one else is promoting that you can make a few bucks off of and get your start that way. As your skills increase, pick something harder. If you?re persistent with, it then in time, you can make as much money as you like.
Have a Happy New Years Everyone!!!
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