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SEO is not for WHINEBAGS!!!

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by jvmarket, Dec 26, 2012.

  1. jvmarket

    jvmarket Regular Member

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    I just finished reading a thread in the Black Hat SEO section of this forum. I saw a lot of bitching and whining but not much in the way of usefulness. What I really found interesting was the section of the BHW forum that it was posted in. Not sure where that kind of garbage fits into Black Hat SEO.

    It's not just the guy who started the thread...people have to respond to it to keep it alive. If it was ignored then it would dies the death it deserves.

    So...instead of being a whinebag and just bitching I thought I'd try and add something useful to this place.
    Here's a thought...why are you here? What do you expect to get out of coming here? Do you have anything productive to add to this forum?

    It doesn't matter if you are a complete noob or a seasoned veteran you can both learn from here and add to the discussion. I know, some of you are thinking what can a complete noob bring to the table? Just because someone is new doesn't make them stupid. The thing I like about noobs is that they don't know enough to think inside the box...some great ideas come from people new to the SEO world, they just have no idea how to implement and test them. The thing you get from veterans...experience.

    I've been at this for a long time and have gotten some great ideas from this forum and I like think I've shared a few as well. One thing I do have is experience...experience with our own sites and the sites of our clients. I've been through all the major search engine changes the past 7 or 8 years and learned the more things change the more they stay the same.

    I gave some thought about what I wanted to write and what the most important lesson I've learned over the years is. That's a tough one because there have been 100's of lessons I've learned but I the most important thing I've learned is more a truth than a lesson.

    How Do You Get Your Website to the Top of the Search Engines?

    So that's the million dollar question...once you figure it out you can pretty much write your own ticket. In this forum you will find many ways:

    • You can use SENuke
    • You can use Xrumer
    • You can use Scrapebox
    • You can use Boolmarking Demon
    • You can use GSA
    • You can use Blog Networks
    • You can use Article Marketing
    • Social Signals
    • Video Marketing


    You get the idea...there are as many ideas (and by the way, these are just a few) as there are SEO practitioners.

    I just saw the title of a thread here that read:

    "GOOGLE PENALIZES FOR XRUMER. A warning to all to avoid Xrumer blast services."
    I know a fella that makes thousands of dollars a month and about the only backlinking tool he uses is Xrumer. I know one who make a good living promoting his sites using a blog network. Others use SENuke or GSA, and yes article marketing still works if done properly.

    Are you starting to see a pattern here?

    The truth I learned a long time ago is pretty simple but is the basis for all SEO.

    It's all about "Backlinks"....now can I use xrumer to promote a local business? Not unless you want to trash the site. Can I use article marketing to promote a payday loan site? I can but I'm not going to make any money.

    Now the Secret is..........what type of backlinks should I build to promote my site?

    That's a great question for which there is no one right answer. Each niche/site will act differently with the various types of link building activities. Your goal should be to figure out which link building activities will produce the results you are looking for then.....

    DO THEM CONSISTANTLY...not once, not twice but over and over.

    As the New Year approaches take a look back at how you have promoted your sites...what worked and what didn't. Stop doing what did not give you tangible results and start doing the things that work.
     
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  2. Riseing

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    People read too much and start to talk themselves out of things. Thanks for this post.
     
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    great and true words. +rep
     
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    Good article, straight to the point.
    Scale on what works and forget what does not work
     
  6. Moneyman94

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    Running your own business be it online or brick and mortar is not for everyone in their current state. BUT once you can find your weaknesses and learn to avoid them, not be too proud to ask for help from experts and just get off your duff and get it done, then and only then do you have a shot!!!

    Nice post jv
     
  7. DSMPowah!

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    Great ideas here. People are always coming up with excuses. They need to grow some pubes and push their ass to the limit. The millions will come.
     
  8. mag1987

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    It's not just SEO, it's life in general. There really isn't any direct pathway to success, it's all just about trying, learning and finding a way through. It can apply to anything and everything and it should because that's the nature of life. This is why education systems can be misleading, they are not necessarily a bad thing, but it indirectly sets the idea in your mind that there is only way to succeed, which is not the case at all.
     
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  9. wally666

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    Great stuff. It's easy when you are new (or not) to get caught up in "this doesn't work" and "Only high quality links" and all of that other crap. I think the best thing you can do in SEO is to listen to what people say, take it in and try our own thing and see what works.


    There is no blueprint...just experience.
     
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  10. John_SE

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    Excellent post, people don't seem to stop and think what their niche is about and how to promote it
     
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    OP: That was one of the realest things said on this forum in awhile. I've been waiting for someone to check people who don't put in the proper effort (which IS NOT that hard) to rank a site. +rep for this.
     
  12. Duffers5000

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    + Rep from me as well. Im tired of people slagging off the forum when we are sitting on a goldmine of information supplied free of charge from people who spend there time at the coalface.
     
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    after the last big wave around summer time I through in the towel instead of getting back on the horse and trying again. but im back and thank you for your post .
     
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    Well said sir...+rep

    ahrefs is good, majestic seo too.

    People should use their brains and don't eat something just because read it somewhere online, including threads and posts from BHW reputable members who have second intentions. It is sad, but true...
     
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    Great post. It's a common theme (misery loves company) that people want to hear that OTHERS are doing just as bad as they are. When something isn't working for them, rather than bust butt and try to fix it or find what works, they want to know that they are not as bad of a failure as they think they are...so the go on to whining and bashing.

    The reality is, that anything works...to a point, you just have to have a plan and work it, and supplement with lots of things that are continually working rather than put all your eggs in one basket.

    When you see a string like that, RUN, and start one that is helpful, productive and encouraging! Or, go work...since those that make money don't have time for posting and whining!
     
  16. jvmarket

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    I was surprised to see the number of responses to my post. It's nice to see at least some of us get it. I hope you all find the success you are looking for in 2013.

    j
     
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    Solid and valid points given. People should learn about each and every detail if they decide to take it serious and work on it.
     
  18. MachineLord

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    I think your thread suck! lol joke :) Cheers m8!
     
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    jvmarket Regular Member

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    I hear ya....short on quality....lol

    Have a Happy New Year :beach2(2)
     
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    A lot of people still enter the market with the mindset from last decade. SEO is no longer free traffic. It used to be that you can choose between investing in software or do it yourself. But nowadays, seems like it becomes harder unless you are satisfied with a dozen or so very long tail keywords. Automation is a must if you want to build backlinks manually.

    Unless, of course, you pay others to create awesome content like infographics, etc. to get backlinks. For that you don't have to buy software but hire others, i.e. still not free.