I have posted something similar before but this time i have done a thorough investigation and have evidence to prove it. this is a combination of a rant and me needing some advice. there are certain "seo companies" that are ranking for seo services [city] they do a good job for their own sites and rank high. but for their clients, they don't do SHIT. how do I know this? easy. most of these "seo companies" will leave a footer in every client's site with their url. so I have been doing an investigation. ahrefs the seo company's url >>> Find the seo company's clients >>> see if they are ranking. none of these clients are ranking. either they have no backlinks, or their backlinks are complete garbage (directories? are you kidding me?) Now the reason they dont do a good job with client's sites is because that's what's in the seo company's best interest. If they do a good job, they will have to charge a lot and they won't get many clients. most people are stupid and think it's better to pay $800 a month for SEO that doesn't work vs. $1500 a month for SEO that does work. they would rather waste a year with a retarded SEO and miss a year's worth of income, vs. paying up and seeing good results. so these seo companies are kind of like walmart, they sell cheap garbage, and they sell a lot. I dont know how much money these seo companies make but i am jealous of them. I repeat: I am jealous. I do get a lot of requests for quotes and since I am ethical and want to do a good job, I will give them a realistic quote. but then I lose them to the cheaper services. I am poor because I have been too ethical. so i am thinking of copying this model. I will do $500 a month and I won't do shit. i will waste a year of their time. $500x12 = $6000 a year. 20 clients a year = $120,000 a year. $120k for adding their site to some directories which takes 10 minutes. What do you guys think? am I mistaken? if anyone has any experience (yourself or through roommates or friends) in this regard, I would love to hear it.