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SEO BST Rant
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GreenGoblin
BANNED
- Jul 17, 2008
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I do agree with $250.00 to list a thread that would change things dramatically.
- Nov 2, 2008
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been said a thousand times, any thread can be approved after a mod has tried it
this will never guarnetee they wont stiff a buyer down the line, all u can do is due dilligance
if the reviews look fake and thread looks crappy avoid it.
this will never guarnetee they wont stiff a buyer down the line, all u can do is due dilligance
if the reviews look fake and thread looks crappy avoid it.
nanavlad
Elite Member
- Dec 2, 2009
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Putting the listing price up to $250 wont guarantee the services will be better, I just means the cost will increase and poorer members wont be in a position to sell their services.
Every business has this problem, and attempting to shut out poorer service providers, Is like asking the us gov, to close down Walmart etc,
If you do this, then al your doing is creating a monopoly for the rich provides, and reducing competition,
Do your due diligence, learn your business and stop acting like you need a nanny.
Education costs, and differentiating and learning about what works and what doesn't, is part of the leaning curve.
Perhaps cutting down the size of the sales letters, would be a better way, insist on more facts about the service, and less fluff.
We all know we should never judge a book by its cover, but the fact is we are lazy and buy rather than read the reviews and the description.
Every business has this problem, and attempting to shut out poorer service providers, Is like asking the us gov, to close down Walmart etc,
If you do this, then al your doing is creating a monopoly for the rich provides, and reducing competition,
Do your due diligence, learn your business and stop acting like you need a nanny.
Education costs, and differentiating and learning about what works and what doesn't, is part of the leaning curve.
Perhaps cutting down the size of the sales letters, would be a better way, insist on more facts about the service, and less fluff.
We all know we should never judge a book by its cover, but the fact is we are lazy and buy rather than read the reviews and the description.
aprilmay
Junior Member
- Dec 9, 2011
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That is exactly how it is for us buyers... Not everyone is clever enough to pick a bad operator. I take months looking for honest sellers. It is so hard on BHW to just go get what you need. It is in the interest of you good guys that the system is looked at and remodeled so that we have a good/great marketplace here on BHW
bigballin6161
Senior Member
- Jul 16, 2011
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I think mods should randomly purchase services under aliases and do an all out review and if they would use it on their moneysites. I mean thats what everyone wants to buy...
Hawkster
Elite Member
- Jun 22, 2013
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This is an accurate description of me personally concerning 'some' free review copies. I try to stay away from being negative and hurting someones rep. So i'll leave a positive review naming the positives only, while leaving out the negatives.
If i see no positives at all i just wont bother leaving a review.
While i type this its dawning on me how much damage i could be doing. If just one person makes a purchase because they saw my positive review and it turns out they got a bad deal, that makes me a big part of the problem.
Certainly something i'll be thinking about next time i take a free review copy.
As for raising the price of posting a BST to $250, im all for that maybe even $500. Anyone worth their salt will gladly pay that knowing they will get an excellent return on their investment because their service is nailed on quality
If i see no positives at all i just wont bother leaving a review.
While i type this its dawning on me how much damage i could be doing. If just one person makes a purchase because they saw my positive review and it turns out they got a bad deal, that makes me a big part of the problem.
Certainly something i'll be thinking about next time i take a free review copy.
As for raising the price of posting a BST to $250, im all for that maybe even $500. Anyone worth their salt will gladly pay that knowing they will get an excellent return on their investment because their service is nailed on quality
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nutserious
Power Member
- Jul 27, 2010
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Basically, its you get what you pay for buddy. Don't expect to get the quality of 250 bucks product for 5 bucks. Just saying.
smartboyhere
Power Member
- Sep 24, 2013
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+1 vote for $250, also moderators have to review the each service in detail instead of approving with single line"op approved". If they review the service with screenshot that would be appreciated.
gullsinn
Elite Member
- Dec 24, 2009
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Okay hard feeling or anything mate, If you really know what quality is then why the hell you are just started the thread here which everyone else know, I'm not so much active here. But I want you to start a service that will be quality. I am not gona support sellers, I know here we have some amazing sellers and some craps too but the thing is it keeps the balance. Its like a family. A town, A school full of classroom some are good, some are excellent and some are weak.
I want you to start a BST thread and I will be your 1st buyer. I have been working with a lot of people here who provides services, and I have been managing their technical stuff I know how hard it is to maintain the quality while being in budget, deadline and the other factors.
End of Thinking!
- Jun 20, 2013
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I am selling very very high quality guest post Price $0.21 per post with native content.
luisk
Regular Member
- Feb 12, 2014
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if the BST price rise to $250 it will be necessary that Mods choose 2 or 3 clients ramdomly from the threads that purchased the product or service and do something like a "follow up". maybe it's more work, but it's more money, so work for it. "IM is a selling job", I get that, "There are some little lies", I get that too, but sometimes it feels that there are too many lies in the BST. Most of the times (always) when I see a review, I don't believe it, not even a little, right now the reviews are just part of the thread for me. And I guess that nowadays the real customers from those threads are newbies that believe that everything in the BST is true, and I'm feeling this way because I was quite naive (100% naive) a year ago believing in some shit I thought it was possible because I knew too little, and yes, it was in the BST. Sorry for my bad english and random ideas, I just wanted to write about my experience.
segitard
Junior Member
- Oct 21, 2013
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What pisses me off is those fake reviews that you see on their sales thread. Some of these new accounts, if you check their profile, their first post was on the sales thread, second post was on some irrelevant thread, and after a while, their fifth post is on the same sales thread again.
I agree the competition among vendors is too high and the market is limited, so even the better vendors are now forced to cut costs to compete with the new vendors who are a lot more ambitious when it comes to making bold claims and resorting to taboo tactics. It brings the quality of the whole forum down. I have some specific recommendations to cut the scamming but I don't care enough to offend various "big" providers. If the admin wants to hear what i have to say, he can contact me privately.
For starters, you will have to outlaw the whole culture of "not sending reports". It is a giant scam. There has to be a way to make sure that the work was done, otherwise you are just encouraging the liars and hurting the legitimate vendors, thus tearing down the quality of the marketplace. You could do it like, make every vendor deliver the actual report to a moderator who could then verify everything and confirm with the buyer, but I guess this can get extremely costly to implement and create awareness among everyone on this platform. Allowing the "no report" culture to continue will just encourage a lot more cheating and scamming. This is the blunt truth.
There are some other things like this that I personally feel can eventually repel buyers away..
sahilsxy29
Elite Member
- Jul 27, 2010
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- $50 for thread submission.
- $200 a month after thread is approved. (this is literally nothing and we all know this when it comes to a service thread)
- Thread goes into moderation queue for atleast 3 weeks and then reviewed, resulting in a total time span of 30 days for approved thread.
- 5-10 Negative reviews and thread gone! + seller banned if the issues are legit and are making sense keeping the seller's refund policy in mind (buyers should do their due diligence as well as they have bought a service where the refund policy was clearly stated)
- For guest posts and networks - moderators should ask for the whole list of domains of the network every now and then.
- monthly review copy to a moderator to make sure that the service is working perfectly fine.
- buyers should use itraders no matter what.
- initial review of the service (when the task is completed) and the final review of the service (after a month) should be posted in the thread.
Zwielicht
Elite Member
- Aug 31, 2013
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Removing a sales thread because of 5-10 negative reviews could prompt unscrupulous competitors to pay others to post negative reviews or to create multiple accounts to create negative reviews. However, I could see this working out better if it were a percentage of the reviews (e.g., if more than 10% of the reviews are legitimate negative reviews).
4ContactUK
Regular Member
- Mar 9, 2013
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It all comes down to anybody (after buying the necessary fees) can 'fake' whatever they like. Higher fees is one barrier but not enough to get the quality we all desire.
I for one have been bullied by BST owners to remove negative reviews and they can then get they payback on you in other ways if you don't comply. So the system is broken.
It's everywhere, the seo company in your town to the window cleaner - bad service or scammed, its hard to police. The nature of online business means its even harder.
From the point of wanting to be a seller here, i'm out-priced by the competition because of where I live. I tried Fiverr and the experience was just the same.
Buy using paypal and you will feel safer and choose with experience behind you.
Rules, guidelines, processes and the such, would love to see some improvements to instill some trust.
I for one have been bullied by BST owners to remove negative reviews and they can then get they payback on you in other ways if you don't comply. So the system is broken.
It's everywhere, the seo company in your town to the window cleaner - bad service or scammed, its hard to police. The nature of online business means its even harder.
From the point of wanting to be a seller here, i'm out-priced by the competition because of where I live. I tried Fiverr and the experience was just the same.
Buy using paypal and you will feel safer and choose with experience behind you.
Rules, guidelines, processes and the such, would love to see some improvements to instill some trust.
soulcollector
Senior Member
- May 10, 2014
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Psychology isn't something that is solid but it'll weed out the con artists without talent. To honestly keep open reviews to mods and other such would even up in corruption, its inevitable. You can keep a quality checkpoint though, encourage people to leave their honest review based on criteria, and then go from there. Youteach people how to read posts, what to look for, but you can even fake that or outsource the task of manipulating reviews. It'll just come down to them fixing it when the marketplace is broken and no money is to be made, or a hard reset. It is only then that you can expect it to be "fresh" without the scammers because there is no money there for them to scam.