Sending cold emails without getting blacklisted?

Kevoss · Jan 17, 2019

Hi,

I need some help with sending cold emails scraped from various places on the internet without getting blacklisted.

1. Should I put the scraped emails in a service like Sendgrid on my personal pc while using a VPN/proxies?

2. Is it better to use a VPS?

3. Should I go for SMTP?

4. Should I use regular emails like gmail/yahoo/mail.ru or use emails created through my own domain?

5. How to avoid getting sent to spam box?

6. Can I get in serious trouble according to the CAN-SPAM?

Thanks

Stansy · Jan 17, 2019

How many emails do you plan to send daily?

I used mailshake and gmail gsuite to send around 100/day without any real problems.
If you are trying to send more than that I would not recommend that setup.

Javalist · Jan 17, 2019

Stansy said:
How many emails do you plan to send daily?

I used mailshake and gmail gsuite to send around 100/day without any real problems.
If you are trying to send more than that I would not recommend that setup.

Please how do you manage your mails not ending up in spam box with this setup?

GenesisOne · Jan 17, 2019

I don't think mail.ru qualifies as a regular email (not in this side of the border).
As for sending emails, you could use an smtp server service like Amazon SES.
It's cheap (10k emails for free) with high deliverability (unless your domain gets blacklisted for spam).

Deleted member 657006 · Jan 17, 2019

no one can stop black listing .

just do what said above .

try to learn opt-in email method to get a good list .

Kevoss · Jan 17, 2019

Stansy said:
How many emails do you plan to send daily?

I used mailshake and gmail gsuite to send around 100/day without any real problems.
If you are trying to send more than that I would not recommend that setup.

I'd like to send as much as possible. If I can scale to more than 100/day I'll do it. But thanks

Lilith55 said:
I don't think mail.ru qualifies as a regular email (not in this side of the border).
As for sending emails, you could use an smtp server service like Amazon SES.
It's cheap (10k emails for free) with high deliverability (unless your domain gets blacklisted for spam).

Why is mail.ru not a regular email?

Can the Amazon smtp server get blocked?
What can I do when I reach 10k emails? Create another account with VCC?
What about getting in trouble for spamming? I heard that you can get heavy fines for doing this?

redarrow said:
no one can stop black listing .

just do what said above .

try to learn opt-in email method to get a good list .

Thanks but the point of this method is to avoid having to drive traffic to get people to opt-in. By scraping I get the emails easily.

What gets blacklisted? The IP? The domain used to send the emails?

Kratos168 · Jan 17, 2019

Kevoss said:
I'd like to send as much as possible. If I can scale to more than 100/day I'll do it. But thanks

Why is mail.ru not a regular email?

Can the Amazon smtp server get blocked?
What can I do when I reach 10k emails? Create another account with VCC?
What about getting in trouble for spamming? I heard that you can get heavy fines for doing this?

Thanks but the point of this method is to avoid having to drive traffic to get people to opt-in. By scraping I get the emails easily.

What gets blacklisted? The IP? The domain used to send the emails?

Sending only 100 emails per day? You can use two gmail accounts to do this for good inbox rate. Make sure certain spam words are omitted, free, promotion,etc.

For Amazon SES when you hit 10k, you need to contact amazon support to increase your mailing limit. They will do a check on what you send out before either increasing or banning your account.

IP and domain can be backlisted with Spamahaus.

With regards to law governing spam, please refer to CAN SPAM.
Nowadays, people are using contact form spamming to bypass this law.

Kevoss · Jan 17, 2019

Kratos168 said:
Sending only 100 emails per day? You can use two gmail accounts to do this for good inbox rate. Make sure certain spam words are omitted, free, promotion,etc.

For Amazon SES when you hit 10k, you need to contact amazon support to increase your mailing limit. They will do a check on what you send out before either increasing or banning your account.

IP and domain can be backlisted with Spamahaus.

With regards to law governing spam, please refer to CAN SPAM.
Nowadays, people are using contact form spamming to bypass this law.

No I don't want to stop at 100 per day, I want to send as much as possible.

Can I simply create new Amazon SES to get fresh 10k?

What if I'm scraping emails using a software like atomic email hunter and emailing the scraped leads? Is this against the law? What if I add an opt out allowing them to remove their email from my list, does this bypass the law?

Kratos168 · Jan 17, 2019

Kevoss said:
No I don't want to stop at 100 per day, I want to send as much as possible.

Can I simply create new Amazon SES to get fresh 10k?

What if I'm scraping emails using a software like atomic email hunter and emailing the scraped leads? Is this against the law? What if I add an opt out allowing them to remove their email from my list, does this bypass the law?

It is always against the law to send unsolicited emails. Anyhow,scrapped list will have very high bounce rates which in turn will cause your inbox rate to drop dramatically even with Amazon SES as the ESP. Not worth the time and effort at all. If you want to spam, then use Gmail (you can purchase in bulks), use multiloginapp or similar and send through web browser. After every email sent, pause for around 3-5min. Your inbox rate will be alot higher with Gmail. Max you can send is around 50 emails per account (most likey PVA will happen after this or account get ban).

If you are sending legit email, you will need to take time to gain sender reputation even if you are using ESP services. High sender score your email would land to inbox and vice versa.

Kevoss · Jan 17, 2019

Kratos168 said:
It is always against the law to send unsolicited emails. Anyhow,scrapped list will have very high bounce rates which in turn will cause your inbox rate to drop dramatically even with Amazon SES as the ESP. Not worth the time and effort at all. If you want to spam, then use Gmail (you can purchase in bulks), use multiloginapp or similar and send through web browser. After every email sent, pause for around 3-5min. Your inbox rate will be alot higher with Gmail. Max you can send is around 50 emails per account (most likey PVA will happen after this or account get ban).

If you are sending legit email, you will need to take time to gain sender reputation even if you are using ESP services. High sender score your email would land to inbox and vice versa.

What precautions should I take if I were to follow this method as to not get in trouble with the law? Would a simple VPN with no logs be enough?

Kratos168 · Jan 17, 2019

Kevoss said:
What precautions should I take if I were to follow this method as to not get in trouble with the law? Would a simple VPN with no logs be enough?

Dont waste your time if you are scrapping email. Not going to be worth it at all. If you want to scrape at least scrape from relevant niche.

linuxsmtp · Jan 20, 2019

Why email goes to spam and why email not showing on inbox and spam folder.

- Too many emails from one ips / domain / from

- Repeated messages , keywords , links

- Many people mark your messages as spam

- No SPF / DKIM / RDNS

- Too many bounce emails

- Blacklisted domain / ips

- Email limit / per hour / per day / per FROM

- Ips / domain are very new ( reputation )

mhtro · Jan 20, 2019

Amazon SES with the "Sendy" software.
Copywrite the shit out of your emails.

And do some heavy research on how you can showup on the regular inbox.

lawrencelau · Jan 20, 2019

"Don't waste your time" ... I always hear this when come to scrape list and email question.... don't believe this sentence first until your self had proven it not works.

I am doing what you do few year back. same tool you using, + ultramailer + ses.
I manage to get lead from the email marketing campaign I blast.

you might need to tweek the SPF + DKIM, use mail tester to check your spam score before you blast.

few year back when I blast the email, per day blasting 5 to 10k. But now I learn a lesson, just blast few hundred per day, and slowly increase if your domain is new. Like what others said above, gain sender reputation

Kratos168 · Jan 20, 2019

lawrencelau said:
"Don't waste your time" ... I always hear this when come to scrape list and email question.... don't believe this sentence first until your self had proven it not works.

I am doing what you do few year back. same tool you using, + ultramailer + ses.
I manage to get lead from the email marketing campaign I blast.

you might need to tweek the SPF + DKIM, use mail tester to check your spam score before you blast.

few year back when I blast the email, per day blasting 5 to 10k. But now I learn a lesson, just blast few hundred per day, and slowly increase if your domain is new. Like what others said above, gain sender reputation

When you scrape without filtering out role based email and no email verification, if this is not wasting time and resources, I don't know what is. If you are scrapping from places like LinkedIn discussion group, Facebook group, etc at least you know the leads are relevant.

Kevoss · Jan 20, 2019

linuxsmtp said:
Why email goes to spam and why email not showing on inbox and spam folder.

- Too many emails from one ips / domain / from

- Repeated messages , keywords , links

- Many people mark your messages as spam

- No SPF / DKIM / RDNS

- Too many bounce emails

- Blacklisted domain / ips

- Email limit / per hour / per day / per FROM

- Ips / domain are very new ( reputation )

mhtro said:
Amazon SES with the "Sendy" software.
Copywrite the shit out of your emails.

And do some heavy research on how you can showup on the regular inbox.

lawrencelau said:
"Don't waste your time" ... I always hear this when come to scrape list and email question.... don't believe this sentence first until your self had proven it not works.

I am doing what you do few year back. same tool you using, + ultramailer + ses.
I manage to get lead from the email marketing campaign I blast.

you might need to tweek the SPF + DKIM, use mail tester to check your spam score before you blast.

few year back when I blast the email, per day blasting 5 to 10k. But now I learn a lesson, just blast few hundred per day, and slowly increase if your domain is new. Like what others said above, gain sender reputation

Thank you for your answers. Would the Amazon SES allow me to stay anonymous in order to avoid getting in trouble with Can-SPAM? Can I make this whitehat by adding an unsubscribe option in my emails?

mhtro · Jan 20, 2019

Kevoss said:
Thank you for your answers. Would the Amazon SES allow me to stay anonymous in order to avoid getting in trouble with Can-SPAM? Can I make this whitehat by adding an unsubscribe option in my emails?

You shouldn't send them newsletters so you are in the safe side and you dont waste money on emails that won't give you shit. DO what we call *The first kiss* email, look into my threads the funnel one has some AMAZING email stuff.

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