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Secret pinging ban?

Discussion in 'Blogging' started by Stumickel, Mar 6, 2009.

  1. Stumickel

    Stumickel Junior Member

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    I posted the following message in "White Hat SEO," but it got little attention. (My headline probably didn't help. I did a better one here.)

    I am really curious about this. I am also curious as to why nobody is curious (on my Google searches, for instance), but I'll let that one slide.

    Thanks to anyone who can help.

     
  2. mr4army

    mr4army Regular Member

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    i dont understand can you give me a short question?
     
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  3. Stumickel

    Stumickel Junior Member

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    mr4army,

    No.

    :)
     
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    mr4army Regular Member

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    had to reread 4 times to understand the question :p
    you can find out if your banned by contacting them or they will block your ip from there website so you cant "ping" it to unban it you will need to contact them directly that is all i can offer
     
  5. Stumickel

    Stumickel Junior Member

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    mr4army,

    So this means I have to contact every site on a ping list in order to check?

    It seems like there would be some automatic way, say trying to ping to a site and getting an automatic response. Something like "IP Banned" or "URL banned" something like that. But I haven't seen anything like that.

    It doesn't make any sense for pinging to be automatic, but knowing the response has to be in person.

    (btw - Don't pay any attention to my rhetorical excesses. I was born that way. :) )
     
  6. saturday1

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    There are software for this rite ? blogpinger i mean....
     
  7. Stumickel

    Stumickel Junior Member

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    I am starting to read around on this.

    I specifically mean pinging for SEO purposes.

    So pinging a site to see if it is on the air is not what I am getting at. I am interested in pinging sites that will crawl mine.
     
  8. mrpega

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    If you have not been spamming these pinging sites or abusing them, chances are you are still safe..
     
  9. needlinks

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    If you are talking about the ping list you load into WP, the way I understand it as this was an issue in the past but it has been fixed to only ping one time per post. Anyone can feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
     
  10. Stumickel

    Stumickel Junior Member

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    I found a blog that is discussing what I am talking about--not exactly, but it is awfully close. It focused on Pingomatic, which is as good as any of the SEO pinging services.

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    http://blog.aisleten.com/2007/10/08/battling-pingomatic-technorati-and-the-other-xml-rpc-ping-services/
    Here is a quote from that blog post:

    Technorati is being discussed here, but these comments could be valid for any ping server that Pingomatic pings to.

    The blog post suggested a weird workaround to finding out information--it suggested pinging Pingomatic itself and using Weblogs.com to see if the ping was successful. Then presumably, if your ping to Pingomatic was successful, what Pingomatic pings for you to other ping servers will be successful also.

    That is...

    Unless one of more of the ping servers Pingomatic is pinging to has banned you.

    The blog post did not discuss that. And neither does anybody else, it seems, unless they are warning you of the dire consequences of pinging too often. But they never go any further than saying if you sping (spam ping), you will be banished to the seventh rung of ping-hell.

    How do you know if that happened to you and what can you do about it? The answer is thundering silence everywhere.

    It's like Death Valley. Many ways in. No way out.

    I am now into this up to my eyeballs. I will research it and post here what I discover.

    If there is any expert in the house, puhleeze get on board...

    Trying to understand this stuff correctly is royally kicking my ass. I will need to teach this before too long and I need to get it right.

    I suppose I could fudge it like everybody else does, but that would be too simple. Unfortunately for me, I lean towards a philosophy-like approach to problems: Why do it in a simple manner when complicated can also work? :)

    (Like I hinted above, I was born that way...)
     
  11. redstone.1337

    redstone.1337 BANNED BANNED Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Any update on your research? :-o

     
  12. mollah

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    If that were true, just ping your competitors 100s of times. They get banned. You win.
     
  13. bertbaby

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    I have pinged away with no penalties using the tools available from BHW and that includes both web sites and blogs. The sites were aged however.
     
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    The one person who seems to talk about pingomatic bans is the linklicious owner :scratchch
     
  15. Poppa Rotzee

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    Yeah, it's not something we've talked about just because it isn't important to our service. Due to the way Linklicious works it isn't banned.

    Some of the services out there piggyback off of pingomatic and run links through there. We even tried to do that at first. However, we found that it'll ban the IP with a Slowdown Cowboy error after a random number of pings - between 200 and 3000. The way the in browser pings work you'll never see this error and will only see success messages.

    You can set up a test for yourself and see. In Chrome turn off javascript security and fire up the javascript debugger (control-shift-J) to watch the messages. You need to add a listener for each of the iframe load events and run an xpath of the iframe contents to pull out the h2.
     
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    they should unban you automatically after a few days.
     
  17. Poppa Rotzee

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    Is that really a solution? At that point, my pinging doesn't keep up with my link building. If I build 2000 profiles a day, then go get them pinged, and say they kill me after 300, that leaves another 1700 I have to wait for, say they release the ban after 2 days, then i have 5700 links i have to ping. Optimistically they might not ban me for 1000-2000 pings, but then I have to wait again for another day or more? It just isn't effective.

    The fact still remains, certain services that exist in browser to "help" you ping for free (using Ping-O-Matic) fall flat by just blindly accepting any and all responses as a success (be it a "Slow down Cowboy" or "Ping Complete!").

    I am not saying they are lying, just misleading. Due to the way the internet works, especially cross-domain scripting, they have no way of actually telling whether your ping is a fail without making all of their users turn off javascript/xss security, which would open their users to being compromised by malicious javascript.
     
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    ..make sense?
     
  19. confined

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    so HKSEO you are saying you don't really use pingomatic or what? I think the best way to ping is simply put a link on a page pointing to the websites you want to be pinged... which is why people xrumer/sb blast their profiles/comments

    but with everybody doing that, I really see no point in pinging yourself. Odds are every other xrumer/scrapebox guy is pinging the hell out of the blogs/forums whatever... so they will ping it for you. That also depends on how many OBL there are and if its spammed to death. So if you use AA lists you shouldnt even bother pinging
     
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    too many pingging google assume that is spam....