Scrapebox on Competitor's Site - Test or Study

victoriavain · Oct 6, 2010

bobbylove321 said:
Nice experiment, however, the only part that is "unknown" is what your competitor actually did in the mean time while he was out of the first page.

Is the competitor still number 1?

Anyways, thanks and +rep given!

Exactly... I can tell you this, this "Test study" is nothing we all haven't known or thought about over the past couple of years. I'm sure we have all got a spam penalty or two and thought, "Damn, I should have did that to my competitor, not myself"

I think the real reason why the competitor came back #1 is because they logged in and saw they dropped off the first page and FREAKED OUT. They started blogging, adding content, optimizing and link building. They thought they got caught doing something black hat and started running a tight ship.

We are all scared that some disgruntled person will do this to us. That is why some of the huffy people are saying whooooah to this post. I can understand the fear. Losing your lively hood because of a black hearted spammer is a very valid concern.

what if this little "experiment" ends up training 1000 people how to snuff sites? maybe yeah, maybe no. I think that is why so many huffy people.

rannybo · Oct 7, 2010

Or it could be, your competitor just filed a Google re-inclusion request because he or she notice unnatural back-links after his or her rankings drop and alerted Google the back-links was not done by him or her and Google to lifted the penalty.

If a webmaster has no history of link spamming and all of a sudden they got links from places that obviously appear as spam on someone else's part like 1,000 backlinks in a day from spamming blogs, the webmaster who's trying to get the other webmaster website penalized doesn't stand a chance.

And who knows, since Google knows that you were trying to get him banned by posting spammy backlinks, who's to say that Google can't flick a switch and turn those backlinks into profitable for the webmaster you was trying to get penalized by boosting his or her rankings even further.

You also said it happened after 17 days, which is about the time-frame that Google responds and decides what to do with the reconsideration request. Kinda of ironic.

AquaClean · Oct 7, 2010

MagicMike said:
I think that's very valuable information. It's always been my conviction that you cannot hurt a competitors site... just maybe kick them into the google dance, like it appears you did... but then come back stronger.

Just had that happen to a client site of mine. He got a LOT of links in a short period of time... he was pulled out of the rankings for 36 hours (lot less than your 17 days) and advanced to the 2nd page from the 6th page.

I've always wanted to put up a test site and have everyone blast it... having it get 10's of thousands of backlinks in a 48 hour period, to see what that would do to it.

Great post... thanks for reporting the outcome!

Same happened with mine, Blasted about 10k links over a 48 hour period, Very moderate compared to the experiment, dropped for about 3 days and returned #2 from 16

How you doing Mike? lol

AquaClean · Oct 7, 2010

WyzoMarketing said:
This was an excellent experiment! I'm glad I stumbled upon it and thanks for sharing!

If you're in SEO for the long run (and IMO there's nothing else when it comes to SEO) the best (or one of the best) ways to approach is create 20 or more para-sites (web2.0, free blogs, articles, etc.) that are very well written... then scrapebox, social bookmark and xrumer the hell out of them. Because they're on authority sites they won't get deindexed by Google or anything, and you don't want to rank them anyways, but they'll become high quality backlinks to your site in a few weeks, and after the next public PR update you'll see some great things

Going to try this, I will report my findings

ducdaigia · Oct 7, 2010

SB is rock . Thanks

lildre320 · Oct 7, 2010

Seeing as how he contacted you interested in a link exchange, I think it's fair to assume that he has basic awareness of seo and maintaining a top position. I'd use that initial interest of his to exchange to spark a conversation as to what happened to his site in the previous weeks and how he brought it to the number one position(if he is willing to divulge any information) just to either confirm your suspicion that he doesn't build links or to see if he began blasting his site the moment if disappeared from Serps

greentitanium · Oct 7, 2010

thanks, op.
Im a little shocked that no one has really brought up domain ages here.
for me this makes a HUGE difference in how long the sandbox stays sandy.
My older domains can have all types of shit thrown at them and nothing happens, my younger ones vanish for months

ubesoft · Oct 7, 2010

First of all I wanna say thank you fvcktheworld for posting this. Now a quick question...

How old is your website and your competiror's webiste?

konst666 · Oct 7, 2010

And how many backlinks has your competitor now?

yesman906 · Oct 9, 2010

I would like to experiment this on one of my own sites.
Any chance you can get intouch and send me that list of 500,000 links
Will post back success or failures.

Unemployed · Oct 17, 2010

great information, this is very useful

Joak · Oct 17, 2010

pnewcomb said:
i think it's a bit premature to come to that conclusion based on one test like this. there are a lot of factors to consider.

I second that. We need more of such experiments to prove that as a fact.

This is an awesome thread. Some questions though. Since the blog list you used strongly contradicts what we've been speculating for a long time, and yet, it skyrocketed your competitor's ranking to the point where it got an authority site beaten, does that mean:

- pr did not matter.
- OBLs didn't matter.
- relevance did not matter
- anchor text did not matter.
- bad neighbourhood theory did not have any effect.

Seriously if we were to make more experiments of these and that proved correct, that would be a revolution lol.

On that basis, any Google penalty / deindexing myth would be strictly limited to onsite blackhat seo like cloaking, keyword stuffing and the like. We'd deduce that ANY kind and ANY number of backlinks would NEVER hurt.

What do you think guys? If more similar experiments brought similar results, wouldn't the above conclusions be valid?

Narrator · Oct 18, 2010

That is awesome, you should send him a bill for your services!

thetvnun · Jan 3, 2011

fvcktheworld said:
First of all, to all of the people that say focus on your own site, blah blah blah, this was an experiment and I figure if things went wrong and the site disapears then it won't hurt me and second of all, the links are PR 0 to 1 and really are not going to be difficult to beat.

Secondly, if everyone wants to blast a site with backlinks I have a domain that we could throw some information on, build a little site and see what happens. The domain has makemoneyonline in it so it is a very difficult keyword. That is just an idea we don't need flaming or whatever, and I am not trying to use anyone. It is purely for a test. We could even sign an agreement or something that we will split any profits made from the site.

Anyways, I figure that this is a good experiment to show that

1. Blog Commenting is not dead. A link is a link and it holds weight.
2. If your site falls of the face of the earth, just keep doing what you are doing. This is not new news, but it is the truth from my experiment.

I am glad that so many people have found this useful. That is what I truley believe that this community is all about.

well i appreciate it, you've made up my mind, im going to blast my 10 worst sites. matter of fact (contrary to my instincts) a guy on here bought a .info and got it to 1st page by spamming - within a week. i cant remember the keywords but he implied they were decent and he sounded credible.

derpywizard · Jan 3, 2011

thetvnun said:
well i appreciate it, you've made up my mind, im going to blast my 10 worst sites. matter of fact (contrary to my instincts) a guy on here bought a .info and got it to 1st page by spamming - within a week. i cant remember the keywords but he implied they were decent and he sounded credible.

Link to the thread, please and thank you!

Trig7 · Feb 1, 2011

That is the scariest time for me when it comes to SEO. Just waiting for the site to come back after being de-indexed or dropped drastically in rankings.

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