[Scrapebox] Facts About Public & Private Proxies, Blog Commenting & Akismet

Nerevar said:
Use scrapebox on web20 and article directories and the ban will not happen. :)
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not true. AKISMET will ban any domain and that does not exclude famous WEB 2.0 sites like blogspot, wordpress etc.

AKISMET will not ban http://www.blogspot.com http://www.wordpress.com but it will ban any subdomains under it which are used as backlinks by scrapebox spammers.

For example:

if you have hxxp://yoursite.blogspot.com as backlink on your scrapebox then you exceed Akismet limit, your blog at blogspot will still get banned by Akismet.

if you have hxxp://yoursite.wordpress.com as backlink on your scrapebox then you exceed Akismet limit, your blog at wordpress will still get banned by Akismet.

if you have hxxp://digg.com/yoursite as backlink on your scrapebox then you exceed Akismet limit, your bookmark at digg will still get banned by Akismet.
 
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1. Akismet will block every IP that send more than 100 comments in 30 min.
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read akismet api library! there is nothing about IP.
WP dont send IP address to akismet cloud!
 
Sure? In the documentation it is stated that the IP address is required

http://akismet.com/development/api/

More interesting, the content/comment itself is NOT required


uzytkowicz said:
1. Akismet will block every IP that send more than 100 comments in 30 min.
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read akismet api library! there is nothing about IP.
WP dont send IP address to akismet cloud!
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Most of my websites are banned by akismet since I discovered scrapebox :D
I emailed them to unban my sites, 2 months ago, but i am not counting on it...

Anyway, i have 2 solutions:

1) continue blasting wp blogs with scrapebox, some comments on non-enabled akismet blogs stick

2) For some of my domains i buy cheap domain names and make 301s to my money sites, then i use the cheap domain URLs for the blasts (until they are banned too :D)
 
uzytkowicz said:
1. Akismet will block every IP that send more than 100 comments in 30 min.
BOULSHIT BOULSHIT BOULSHIT BOULSHIT

read akismet api library! there is nothing about IP.
WP dont send IP address to akismet cloud!
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that is what they say on the documentation but in practice they do ban IP addresses. that is based on our experience.

If you are not convinced, then try it and see it for yourself. There is a difference between THEORY and PRACTICE you know.

in theory akismet ban or blacklist domains only, but in practice they do ban IP ranges. Go ahead and see it for yourself. Spam several thousand blogs using a single ip and let me know what you think.
 
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There is no need to try. As I wrote, askimet evaluates the IP adress, at least they claim that on their api page. And I checked the wp-askimet-plugin. Yes, the IP is passed.

Writing about "There is a difference between THEORY and PRACTICE you know." is not really clever, if it is so easy to check what happens. I mean, in that case it is very clear. If the IP is not passed to akismet, how could they make decisions based on IP adress? Bla bla theory/praxis. No IP passed, no IP distinction possible. Full stop.

Although you are somehow right in this case, this is deplorably one of the usual BHW wise-ass not having anything to do with facts comment. You did not even investigate but just take that BS comment as fact. And this shows perfectly how/why so much BS is spread over BHW.


bluegarden said:
that is what they say on the documentation but in practice they do ban IP addresses. that is based on our experience.

If you are not convinced, then try it and see it for yourself. There is a difference between THEORY and PRACTICE you know.

in theory akismet ban or blacklist domains only, but in practice they do ban IP ranges. Go ahead and see it for yourself. Spam several thousand blogs using a single ip and let me know what you think.
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bluegarden, would you please add a diclaimer to the nonsense you're writing. Something like 'these are logical assumptions but they remain wild guesses'?

Or you can always show some real data to back up your claims.
 
Monrox said:
bluegarden, would you please add a diclaimer to the nonsense you're writing. Something like 'these are logical assumptions but they remain wild guesses'?

Or you can always show some real data to back up your claims.
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like i said above, if you are not convinced about AKISMET blacklisting IP addresses, you are always free to try it and see it for yourself. There is no need to bash me on the forum. All you need to do is try it and see it for yourself.

try posting several thousand AKISMET enabled blogs using a single IP address and then tell me if you have a horrible success rate. Chances are, you do. :)

i would not be wasting hundreds of dollars on Proxies if AKISMET is not blacklisting the IP Addresses of my ISP and VPS. Like i said "In Theory there is no difference between Theory and Practice, But in Practice there is :D"
 
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the source for posting 100x in less than 30 minutes must be presented.

SO far for us, we have 3-4 guys doing manual to semi manual comments on our main mney pages and automated comments on throw away domains and sites, we have played and outplayed akismet many times.

the basics would be rounded off to the following:

1. great acceptable comments and not spam
2. private proxies

the complex methods involve

1. name field randomizaton
2. site and related sites randomization
3. comment randomization
4. url field
5. email field


keep experimenting and you will have your own guidelines set for how to beat akismet

goodluck fellas
 
with regards to the 100x comments in 30minutes. i did not exactly say that it was the threshold of AKISMET for blacklisting of IP Addresses. i said it was approximately more than 100x comments in 30minutes but i do not know exactly the exact figures.
 
secretboy08 said:
all my domains are aksimet banned.
but i still managed to get 1000's of links/day through scrapebox on wordpress.
just use brute force.
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I tend to agree with this post the most...why sit around scared about akismet? You are more likely to get banned anyway, and scrapebox was designed to BLAST.

Don't see the point in trying to play it safe when you can get more comments posted by blasting away.
 
broon said:
why sit around scared about akismet?
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That's not the point of this thread. The point is that no proxy could prevent your site of being Akismet blacklisted. Because I'm tired of people saying "use private proxies to avoid Akismet ban".
 
you can actually avoid IP ban from Akismet by getting a fresh list of Proxies every several thousand blast or so.

For those who want proof that AKISMET bans IP Address. I blasted more than 2,000 Akismet Enabled blogs yesterday using the IP Address of my VPS. After a few Hours, i already got the dreaded "WHITE BLANK SCREEN" when manual commenting on AKISMET enabled blogs.

The white screen is an indication that your IP has been banned by AKISMET. Take note that i spinned my Comments, Email, Name and URLs to avoid having footprints that can be tracked by AKISMET. Before blasting, i can do manual commenting on akismet enabled blogs and i do not get the white blank screen.

Stop wasting your bandwidth on AKISMET enabled blogs. Your proxies will only do a few thousand comments before being IP Banned :D
 
uzytkowicz said:
1. Akismet will block every IP that send more than 100 comments in 30 min.
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read akismet api library! there is nothing about IP.
WP dont send IP address to akismet cloud!
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Well my quick test tonight showed they do ban IP's. I tried posting a comment to several of my blogs, using around 120 free proxies (alive) and all comments went straight to spam. Soon as I unchecked the proxies and used a VPN, the comments were approved.
 
Just to add to the lively discussion above, these are the parameters which are passed on to Akismet as is mentioned on their API documentation page.

So, it does pass IP and it does pass the actual comment posted.

Code: 
 						 							blog (required)
							The front page or home URL of the instance making the request. For a blog or wiki this would be the front page. Note: Must be a full URI, including http://. 						
 						 							user_ip (required)
							IP address of the comment submitter. 						
 						 							user_agent (required)
							User agent string of the web browser submitting the comment -  typically the HTTP_USER_AGENT cgi variable.  Not to be confused with the  user agent of your Akismet library. 						
 						 							referrer (note spelling)
							The content of the HTTP_REFERER header should be sent here. 						
 						 							permalink
							The permanent location of the entry the comment was submitted to. 						
 						 							comment_type
							May be blank, comment, trackback, pingback, or a made up value like "registration". 						
 						 							comment_author
							Name submitted with the comment 						
 						 							comment_author_email
							Email address submitted with the comment 						
 						 							comment_author_url
							URL submitted with comment 						
 						 							comment_content
							The content that was submitted.
 
Sorry to bump this thread, but I found the information within to be very helpful. Anyway I had this idea and I was wondering what ya'll thought.

Alright so obviously you can get your competitors banned with SB, but thats just not what i'm about, I think thats shitty BH ethics :/ lol yes I said BH ethics

1. I'm sure this has been discussed but I haven't seen a good answer. What if you blast a forum post/WEB 2.0 post, with different proxies of course, at reasonable rate (under 100 every 30 min) that have a link back to your money site. You know the whole linkwheel method... is akismet smart enough to know and eventually ban your money site?

or

2. Instead of using SB to build tons of juice to one site, what if you use it a different way. For example, create a web 2.0 property that links to another web 2.0/forum post, that finally links back to your money site. Is askimet smart enough to see through 2 buffer sites? What about 3? 4? Allot more work, but would it be safer?

What do you think?
 
1 - no
2 - no

Akismet is not Google. They don't search for linkwheels.
 
I got banned with Akismet even for manually posting and posting meaningful comments, just because of anchor text. I don't write nonsense like "great blog" etc, I read the whole damn thing and sometimes even post long comments, all relevant, all by hand. Still banned by Akismet. I hate Akismet
 
3. Comment on other blog platforms aside from Wordpress because Wordpress Blogs are mostly Akismet Enabled.
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Askimet is not free, its quite expensive for what it does, i dont thinks a lot of users use it actually
 
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