Scammed by UptownBulker
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thomas
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You are very right about that but the issue is discussed on IM board where as I figured if you got a brain and a PC it wont make much difference if you are from US or China, Europe or South America, You can make money anyways.And I guess that wasn't the OP's salary
artswerdstone
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If I understand well, you've got for $650 an anonymous incorporation with bank account and google checkout, but no paypal.
It's a pity you can't use the set up without the paypal. And it is a pity Uptownbulker spent his time, money and energy to do a set up that is finally useless.
What I can't understand is, dear cashmentor a.k.a seoextreme2, how do you know about what was ever posted or was not posted in the VIP section?
SEOExtreme,
Another issue that is arousing my suspicion of your motives here would be your failure to answer my email requesting contact information to the federal agent in charge of collecting information for the case you claim is already underway.
I've been in touch with a federal investigator in another non-related case and I'm somewhat familiar with how widely they publicize contact information aimed at those who can provide any information.
Your failure to provide it calls into question your intentions here -- at least from where I sit. You posted your email address and I emailed you. No response.
Many scammers are very keen to the fact that a group of scam victims can often be ripe for another scam known as the "Saviour" play. You know where I'm going with this?
Another issue that is arousing my suspicion of your motives here would be your failure to answer my email requesting contact information to the federal agent in charge of collecting information for the case you claim is already underway.
I've been in touch with a federal investigator in another non-related case and I'm somewhat familiar with how widely they publicize contact information aimed at those who can provide any information.
Your failure to provide it calls into question your intentions here -- at least from where I sit. You posted your email address and I emailed you. No response.
Many scammers are very keen to the fact that a group of scam victims can often be ripe for another scam known as the "Saviour" play. You know where I'm going with this?
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yeah, I missed that one completely. Good catch Art.
artswerdstone
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Thanks. As far as I remember cashmentor's case was rather complicated. Allegedly he was the owner of anonymouscorp.com, and also he was the member AnonymousCorp of several forums:
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[URL]http://www.google.com/search?q=anonymouscorp+forum+member&num=100&hl=en&safe=off&filter=0[/URL]
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http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/blackhat-lounge/24307-cashmentor-banned.html
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seoextreme2
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Because this 'banned member' was wrongfully banned. I WAS SCAMMED! You people seem pretty fucking dense for 'VIP' members. And for someone apparently portraying himself as 'intelligent', makes me think that you've never heard of something called an affiliate program. Back when I was excited about the money that could be made with these anonymous corporations, I bought the domain and was going to resell the service.
Want proof of how much of a scammer this guy is? Check up uptownbulker.com if you want details on how long this guy has been scamming people.
Sinewave - For the record, he scammed me - not the other way around. By the way, never got your email. And also, you aren't involved. Only administrators and people affected will get their contact information. We aren't turning this into a paper chase.
Want proof of how much of a scammer this guy is? Check up uptownbulker.com if you want details on how long this guy has been scamming people.
Sinewave - For the record, he scammed me - not the other way around. By the way, never got your email. And also, you aren't involved. Only administrators and people affected will get their contact information. We aren't turning this into a paper chase.
seoextreme2
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As for knowing what is in the VIP section... let's just say... I have ears, I hear things.
artswerdstone
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Of course! You are a victim being scammed of getting a corporation with a bank account and Google Checkout but PayPal.
I don't appreciate your manners at all.
I never thought about affiliate program means unauthorized copying of a business site. Is that the way you understand to be an affiliate?
Your allegation is that http://www.dreamgreenhomes.com/aboutus/profiles.htm and http://www2.ljworld.com/photos/2005/jun/01/58665/ are the same person. While both these two gentlemen live in Lawrence, I assure you they are different persons.
Eventually your other allegations are same true as the above one, how can we know?
seoextreme2
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I was guaranteed a service that I did not receive. He guaranteed that I would get a corporation, bank account, atm card, 3 payment processors, etc. I only got articles of incorporation, banking information (not even complete info), and supposedly a google checkout account (never used it, never had access to it). Excuse and excuse got very old, as i'm sure you can understand.
And I don't appreciate assumptions from people who know nothing about the situation. Who are you anyway? What is your cause for being here? Besides obviously protecting a scammer.
Nobody made an unauthorized copy of a website at all. Where in the hell do you get your information? He gave me his TOS to use, and that's all that was used. Nice try though.
You can assure me huh... and how can you assure me? Do you know either of them personally? If so, send me your detailed contact information so I can have you subpoenaed. Otherwise, go troll elsewhere.
Well, the only think we can know for certain is that you are trying to protect a scammer, and discredit someone who was scammed. Who the hell do you think you are?
tonlilaz
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you know, it really all boils down to 1 simple thing....and that's credibility.
for one thing....you have none at this point. You just signed up on the board to accuse another member of being a scammer. Imo, you would have more credibility if you signed up and contacted a mod first about this issue.
Uptown had established credibility by becoming an established member of the board. You along with the other accusers had not. I'm not taking sides here, just stating obvious facts.
Just because you have a dispute with somebody DOES NOT MEAN that the other person is a scammer....it just means that you have a dispute.
If you read the Legal disclaimer in the BST
I gather the purpose of the shit list is to create a system where buyers and sellers can settle there disputes...not to sign up for a new account to name call and act like a big baby.
I would also like to think that uptownbulker *is* found to be a scammer that the mods would eventually put a note out to the community...just as an FYI....but the mods are still looking into the matter and trying to give everybody in this situation a chance to give their side of the story.
for one thing....you have none at this point. You just signed up on the board to accuse another member of being a scammer. Imo, you would have more credibility if you signed up and contacted a mod first about this issue.
Uptown had established credibility by becoming an established member of the board. You along with the other accusers had not. I'm not taking sides here, just stating obvious facts.
Just because you have a dispute with somebody DOES NOT MEAN that the other person is a scammer....it just means that you have a dispute.
If you read the Legal disclaimer in the BST
I gather the purpose of the shit list is to create a system where buyers and sellers can settle there disputes...not to sign up for a new account to name call and act like a big baby.
I would also like to think that uptownbulker *is* found to be a scammer that the mods would eventually put a note out to the community...just as an FYI....but the mods are still looking into the matter and trying to give everybody in this situation a chance to give their side of the story.
artswerdstone
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Don't talk that way to me.
We are not of same level and not of same age.
Obviously your behavior is hostile.
And we know how angry people are right even if they are wrong.
Why should I give you my DETAILED contact? To be subpoenaed to what? To your Internet annoyances?
I've seen your copycat website once Uptown alerted me to buy not from that site, because that site is a scam, having copied even his TOS.
Why don't you complain to FTC or go to the court if you have been scammed? Why do you make much noise here?
Your target have been already banned. What else do you expect from BHW?
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artswerdstone
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Just so everybody knows, Uptownbulker is not someone you CAN fuck with.
This is all well and dandy, and maybe he really did screw some people over; though I highly doubt it.
I planned for along time to incorporate with him, but ended up going the more transparent route. But in that time, and even since then; hes taught me a billion things about tax law, incorporation, and a whole mountain of other things.
He knows his shit, and it seems like an awful stretch that someone educated and skilled in the field they sell a service in failed to deliver.
But aside from ALL of that, Uptown is one of those people who cant be touched.
I have a feeling even if a federal investigator was on his case, the guy would get a call from his superiors telling him to back off and process another case instead.
Hes banned, thats all this forum is responsible for. The issues been publicized and bitched about enmasse. If you have your own bit to say, why not stick to one of the threads already made on the subject?
This is all well and dandy, and maybe he really did screw some people over; though I highly doubt it.
I planned for along time to incorporate with him, but ended up going the more transparent route. But in that time, and even since then; hes taught me a billion things about tax law, incorporation, and a whole mountain of other things.
He knows his shit, and it seems like an awful stretch that someone educated and skilled in the field they sell a service in failed to deliver.
But aside from ALL of that, Uptown is one of those people who cant be touched.
I have a feeling even if a federal investigator was on his case, the guy would get a call from his superiors telling him to back off and process another case instead.
Hes banned, thats all this forum is responsible for. The issues been publicized and bitched about enmasse. If you have your own bit to say, why not stick to one of the threads already made on the subject?
GreenGoblin
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You been watching to much NYPD Blue fam...let me tell u from expirence...when the feds on yah ass...u aint got enough money to buy your way out of the feds..it ain't nothen in this world that will save you...if u don't listen to anything else in this forum listen to that....NOTHEN BUYS U OUT OF THE FEDS. NOTHEN!
thomas
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Hes Yuri Orlov from Lord of War
J/KHonestly as I have seen on this forum, UptownBulker real knows his shit, and this seoextreme dude is nothing more than a crybaby that needs a babysiter, first of all seoextreme you should learn to offer respect, otherwise don't be surprised if people decide to not give a dimme about you.
I don't know any of you but seoextreme you have a strange attitude to deal with issues. As I saw in that chat conversation you posted here, I mean common, uptownbulker was decent enough for spend his time chatting with you considering your attitude. And you continue to have the same shit attitude with artswerdstone, man if I were in his place I would put you on ignore and don't give you a second from my time.
Uncle Kracker
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I have no say in this matter, as I did not buy anything from uptown, nor did I get scammed by him, etc.
But I do know the person who handled his paypal payments. I will not say who this person is. All I know is he is getting a LOT of chargebacks from people who bought from Uptown, who did not receive what they purchased. Also, Uptown has yet to return any of my friends emails/calls/etc.
If he isn't contacting the man that was processing his payments and passing his money on to him... well, I don't see what hope his customers have.
This is just my two cents but I'd like to point out that a lot of people here don't know the whole story or the whole situation and shouldn't be commenting. Myself included, probably. But at the very least I can say I know some of the people involved on Uptown's end, and he's abandoned them too from all I've heard.
As far as Uptown being untouchable by the feds.. someone watches too many movies. That's just ridiculous.
All this infighting between the people in this thread needs to stop. It's juvenile. If someone feels they've been wronged by another member here, support them until it's resolved. The burden of proof lies on the accusor, sure, but that doesn't mean we need to belittle that person until they go away. Also, the accusor should be nicer to his peers, if he wants their help. End of story.
tl,dr; everyone needs to grow up and stop fighting. the end.
But I do know the person who handled his paypal payments. I will not say who this person is. All I know is he is getting a LOT of chargebacks from people who bought from Uptown, who did not receive what they purchased. Also, Uptown has yet to return any of my friends emails/calls/etc.
If he isn't contacting the man that was processing his payments and passing his money on to him... well, I don't see what hope his customers have.
This is just my two cents but I'd like to point out that a lot of people here don't know the whole story or the whole situation and shouldn't be commenting. Myself included, probably. But at the very least I can say I know some of the people involved on Uptown's end, and he's abandoned them too from all I've heard.
As far as Uptown being untouchable by the feds.. someone watches too many movies. That's just ridiculous.
All this infighting between the people in this thread needs to stop. It's juvenile. If someone feels they've been wronged by another member here, support them until it's resolved. The burden of proof lies on the accusor, sure, but that doesn't mean we need to belittle that person until they go away. Also, the accusor should be nicer to his peers, if he wants their help. End of story.
tl,dr; everyone needs to grow up and stop fighting. the end.
MiLiTARYiV
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True Dat
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