Scammed by Royserpa for $800

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Methods as product is oxymoron. Method is seen by many as a loophole, shortcut, trick, something that brings more money than effort invested. In free market, exceptional ROI is always under pressure to collapse - due to game theory of course. Now, nothing about method market makes sense, as good information spreads, it devalues the method in one way or another. BHW has good obfuscation approach. People share things for free, but leave out the details to prevent saturation.

Also there is method worth evaluation issue. This one is impossible to analyze, and brings complication in form of catch 22. You need to know enough to buy it based on rationale , but if enough is revealed, you may not want to pay for it anymore. Lack of any fair system to keep both parties happy most of the time, simply proves that method market is destined to fail. And even if you managed to sell something worthy, how do you copyright your method, if it's worthy, it will spread like fire. It remainds me of the concept of "idea" worth in software industry, when people can't understand that ideas are usually worthless and that legwork is in short supply.

Tools that automate well defined functionalities make much more sense. So if you are into meta - earning, focus on creating tools or services, not fake guru method peddling.
 
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proxygo said:
i told him on skype they perma banned him.
he just lol'd and logged off skype
wow.........not what i expected from a guy ive
known 10 years.....but i guess you never really
know people do you.....sad
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Have you seen his prior posts? Trying to sell one of his BS lead sites quite some time ago which was just this shit implemented.

The most obvious was his real by post lol

TheVigilante said:
You don't know him personally lol this is the internet
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This

proxygo said:
@BassTrackerBoats

i have a message from royserpa. roy is on my skype due to buying
9 of my services over last 10 years, i make no promise what is in his
pm he will full fill or not, im just relaying as asked. and play no other part.

Roy, 18:47Here's my message:


@BassTrackerBoats , dude, we had a deal, I even created an account "Gramptude" and ran it
to like 25 posts just PMed you. You didn't even reply, but in that pm I just said we had a deal.
We would work on path #2 as we previously agreed. Now, I am not refunding directly as I want to
prove the method works and it's not a random scam.

Also, if I was a scammer, I would have run with the money and wouldn't even have delivered anything
or I wouldn't even take the time to try and solve this. Dude,

let's work on path #2 and let's work it out.

Sure, the method is blackhat, but it works. A few years ago I built a site in the car insurance niche

I ran that site for over a year with this method, then sold the site. So, dude, btb, let us work on path#2 as we agreed.
That's my message man

message delivered leave me out of the out come.
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Lol he deserved to be banned. Lousy scammer who's broke or would not have ran off with peanuts in the form of $800 when supposedly making bank before and back to $100k..scamming

proxygo said:
he says cant do a support ticket as he cant login B
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Good

GringoMonkey said:
He does not have the cash, nobody would go through all this if they did, unless he is a masochist!
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Of course he's broke typical guru claiming they make bank and run off with $800. Well deserved ban. One day he will scam the wrong person and it will be more than just a ban. Karma and all
 
theRevolt said:
Of course he's broke typical guru claiming they make bank and run off with $800. Well deserved ban. One day he will scam the wrong person and it will be more than just a ban. Karma and all
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Beautifully said and what I was thinking all along. I even stated that in a post. He was just a lousy fake guru just like all the other bullshitters.
 
Fragmaster said:
Methods as product is oxymoron. Method is seen by many as a loophole, shortcut, trick, something that brings more money than effort invested. In free market, exceptional ROI is always under pressure to collapse - due to game theory of course. Now, nothing about method market makes sense, as good information spreads, it devalues the method in one way or another. BHW has good obfuscation approach. People share things for free, but leave out the details to prevent saturation.

Also there is method worth evaluation issue. This one is impossible to analyze, and brings complication in form of catch 22. You need to know enough to buy it based on rationale , but if enough is revealed, you may not want to pay for it anymore. Lack of any fair system to keep both parties happy most of the time, simply proves that method market is destined to fail. And even if you managed to sell something worthy, how do you copyright your method, if it's worthy, it will spread like fire. It remainds me of the concept of "idea" worth in software industry, when people can't understand that ideas are usually worthless and that legwork is in short supply.

Tools that automate well defined functionalities make much more sense. So if you are into meta - earning, focus on creating tools or services, not fake guru method peddling.
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One of the best things I've read here.
 
Fragmaster said:
Methods as product is oxymoron. Method is seen by many as a loophole, shortcut, trick, something that brings more money than effort invested. In free market, exceptional ROI is always under pressure to collapse - due to game theory of course. Now, nothing about method market makes sense, as good information spreads, it devalues the method in one way or another. BHW has good obfuscation approach. People share things for free, but leave out the details to prevent saturation.

Also there is method worth evaluation issue. This one is impossible to analyze, and brings complication in form of catch 22. You need to know enough to buy it based on rationale , but if enough is revealed, you may not want to pay for it anymore. Lack of any fair system to keep both parties happy most of the time, simply proves that method market is destined to fail. And even if you managed to sell something worthy, how do you copyright your method, if it's worthy, it will spread like fire. It remainds me of the concept of "idea" worth in software industry, when people can't understand that ideas are usually worthless and that legwork is in short supply.

Tools that automate well defined functionalities make much more sense. So if you are into meta - earning, focus on creating tools or services, not fake guru method peddling.
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Agreed in general, but obviously most "methods" are scams so there is nothing to saturate and making a bot, etc. is just more work than what the scammer here did, which was a crappy little PDF (to even call it ebook is an insult lol).
When users sell bots they realize what they have is truly working and could be saturated... Which leads us to, again how to not get scammed:

- Why sell something that could hurt your earnings, unless your earnings, of course, are just a result of pushing this "method"

The BS about never bein able to get saturated is just because what they tell you is so broad such as
- Buy low sell high
....
 
Doobspelon said:
He doesn't have the money so there is no method lol. He is likely banned from most companies and therefore he wants to fuck others
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BassTrackerBoats said:
If one is legit they would not sell that method.

It is illegal.
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I wasn't talking about @royserpa and his stupid 'method'. After all the posts I read and screenshots I saw, there's no doubt that he's a scammer.

I was thinking that maybe someone wants to sell a 100% legit method.

For example, if a guy named John is making $100 per day with method A and he found a new way (method B) that makes him $300 per day but he can't work on both methods simultaneously (and there's no way to outsource it), why wouldn't he sell it to 10 people and set the price at $1k?

That would bring him $10k in total, without hurting his current earnings (because he isn't working on it).
 
Is not my problem but here my 2 cents.

I can bet my all income of 2 years from now, Roy is a player/gambler, and I'm pretty sure those 800 usd was lost in couple of hands on poker or slots.

So yeah he don't have cash to can refund the OP!
Simple as that!

For sure he regrets it, but even if he will refund the guys who scammed, if BHW unbann him then from my personal point of view BHW will not diserve my next jr vip subscription!

Be safe, be careful people!
 
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theRevolt said:
Agreed in general, but obviously most "methods" are scams so there is nothing to saturate and making a bot, etc. is just more work than what the scammer here did, which was a crappy little PDF (to even call it ebook is an insult lol).
When users sell bots they realize what they have is truly working and could be saturated... Which leads us to, again how to not get scammed:

- Why sell something that could hurt your earnings, unless your earnings, of course, are just a result of pushing this "method"

The BS about never bein able to get saturated is just because what they tell you is so broad such as
- Buy low sell high
....
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It all comes down to value vacuum created by such methods. It's all about grabbing attention, traffic, and rarely about actually making those who arrive, HAPPY or returning visitors or recurring spenders. I think this mostly happens because of survivorship bias: we are so obsessed with traffic because no traffic means no money, to the point where everything else is so underdeveloped. By everything else I mean business model we were supposed to boost in the first place. Such state of mind leads us to thinking we need endless traffic to make things work.

Point i'm trying to make: just because traffic is blackhat, doesn't have to mean business model has to be too.
 
Vizla said:
I wasn't talking about @royserpa and his stupid 'method'. After all the posts I read and screenshots I saw, there's no doubt that he's a scammer.

I was thinking that maybe someone wants to sell a 100% legit method.

For example, if a guy named John is making $100 per day with method A and he found a new way (method B) that makes him $300 per day but he can't work on both methods simultaneously (and there's no way to outsource it), why wouldn't he sell it to 10 people and set the price at $1k?

That would bring him $10k in total, without hurting his current earnings (because he isn't working on it).
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If it can't be outsourced, then how could someone else do it (which could also just be a VA). Realistically every "method" is just something super broad, thus "it can never be satured" (as I said buy low/sell high etc.)

Most people realize what they are doing is not rocket science, and that is fine as the simplest things are mostly overlooked, but realize as well that selling "buy low sell high" is just a scam..


Luco said:
Is not my problem but here my 2 cents.

I can bet my all income of 2 years from now, Roy is a player, and I'm pretty sure those 800 usd was lost in couple of hands on poker or slots.

So yeah he don't have cash to can refund the OP!
Simple as that!

For sure he regrets it, but even if he will refund the guys who scammed, if BHW unbann him then from my personal point of view BHW will not diserve my next jr vip subscription!

Be safe, be careful people!
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Lol, reminds me I think he did a post about poker before, would not be surprised.
If he refunds then he just took those $800 from someone else...Roy if you are reading this, I know you are in Mexico but even El Chapo could not get away with all his money... Piss of enough people and you can have your own, private, cozy little cell somewhere...


Fragmaster said:
It all comes down to value vacuum created by such methods. It's all about grabbing attention, traffic, and rarely about actually making those who arrive, HAPPY or returning visitors or recurring spenders. I think this mostly happens because of survivorship bias: we are so obsessed with traffic because no traffic means no money, to the point where everything else is so underdeveloped. By everything else I mean business model we were supposed to boost in the first place. Such state of mind leads us to thinking we need endless traffic to make things work.

Point i'm trying to make: just because traffic is blackhat, doesn't have to mean business model has to be too.
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Yup, the difference between BH and scam... Many still do not get the difference. Maybe a judge will explain it to them one day...
 
Vizla said:
I wasn't talking about @royserpa and his stupid 'method'. After all the posts I read and screenshots I saw, there's no doubt that he's a scammer.

I was thinking that maybe someone wants to sell a 100% legit method.

For example, if a guy named John is making $100 per day with method A and he found a new way (method B) that makes him $300 per day but he can't work on both methods simultaneously (and there's no way to outsource it), why wouldn't he sell it to 10 people and set the price at $1k?

That would bring him $10k in total, without hurting his current earnings (because he isn't working on it).
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Thats a good point. I actually have a method which i want to sell actually. Its making me 100$ per month( its more like a really good niche) and i was thinking it to selling to 2 people 200$ each. But yeah i get your point
 
theRevolt said:
If it can't be outsourced, then how could someone else do it (which could also just be a VA).
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I was making an example.

There are lots of people that would rather pay $1k for something than search for it and find in parts for free.

Stupid or not, that's how it is.
 
mudbutt said:
I’ll match your $150, OP pm me your PayPal and I’ll shoot it over yeeeehawww
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I'll not be able to match your $150, but OP pm me your GayPay as well.


I will send you $10. :D

Seriously, folks don't laugh at me. It's nothing to OP and most folks but we can't aĺl break bank before we could help a fellow who's been hurt.



"For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not"

11 Cor 8 : 12.
 
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