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Scammed by oxonbeef

Discussion in 'The Shit List' started by JadMac, Jun 21, 2014.

  1. JadMac

    JadMac Junior Member

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    I paid for SEO services from user ID oxonbeef. Prior to purchasing the services he seemed professional, honest and confident, however it was all a scam. He said he would deliver a report monthly, however this never materialised. After checking for changes in backlinks etc there were none! This was two months later so I was obviously concerned, so I contacted him to explain my worries - with no reply (over two weeks). I then contacted a BHW admin to explain the situation in full....oxonbeef then miraculously decided to reply to me requesting my bank details so he could issue a full refund, so I provided them. More than two months later the refund still hasn't materialised and he's scammed £200 British pounds from me for doing absolutely nothing.
     
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  2. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Accused member has been notified. JadMac, please send me all proof you have for this (zip & upload images/text on a hosting site and PM me the link).
     
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  3. oxonbeef

    oxonbeef BANNED BANNED

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    This member contacted me in regards to SEO on his site.
    I asked him if his goal was to pump and dump or if he wanted long term rankings.
    He said he wanted long term ranking.
    At first he wanted to rank for a ridiculous amount of competitive keywords.
    When I bought him down to earth I told him I would work on three keywords for £300 a month for 3 months.
    He told me he couldn't afford that. (Another dreamer wanting to buy a Benz with push bike money).
    We agreed that I would work on ranking the site for £100 a month on the condition I could place my ads
    on his site until the difference was made up.
    He was made aware that for £100 a month I wouldn't be bending over backwards on it.
    On analysis I discovered that he had built over 10,000 spam blog comment links to the homepage and not only that
    more links were still indexing.
    This carried on until he had over 18,000 spam links to his homepage. I mean these were the crappiest links you could
    come across. He then told me he had previously bought a service from BHW and also that a competitor could be neg SEOing him.
    Now I'm not going to start linkbuilding to a site that was in serious jeopardy of penalty until that threat is removed. As the Op has shown
    I would've been held responsible for that.
    He wanted to install a like jacking script but as I explained to him if he wanted a long term site to stay away from things like that.
    I suggested to him that he install the Web2rule script on it so at least google will see some traffic and his bounce rate will be down.
    I was also going to send him some instructions to minify his CSS, compress the images and move the javascript to reduce pageload time.
    At no time did he give me access to his site so I could carry out this work for him. The Op will not use Skype and wants to use google talk.
    As I explained to him, I can't stay logged into google when working it leave too many doorways open.

    I spent over two months disavowing and getting rid of bad links though hook crook and begging favours.
    He is now down to just over 6000 links with about 680 of them in serious need of removal. In my opinion this site is still in no fit state to start building links to if he wants a long term project and the bad links is one of the reasons I have not place any of my ads on there yet.
    I think the Op will find that what he has paid is extremely cheap for the work carried out so far. He needs to realise that ranking a site is far more than just throwing links to a site.

    Abusive and threatening emails will not receive a response from me. When first informed about the Op's complaint by OS I decided I would just refund him however that coincided with a $5000 unauthorised payment I had received resulting in paypal limiting my account. I was going to make arrangements to pay him by bank transfer until I received and email from him calling me a common thief. So at that time I decided I am the one at loss here and the Op has no legitimate complaint.
    As of Friday he sent me an email stating he he is going to the fraud office and the jobcentre (Jobcentre? WTF do they have to do with anything?) if I don't pay him his money back.
    I ask the Op to please go ahead with that as a counter claim through Kent county court is waiting.
    At no time was he promised position or time it would take to rank. He was to pay "£100 x 3 months with the add placement ongoing until we were equal.
    The Op ordered SEO not a linkbuilding service.

    I'm sorry but I'm not responsible for the Op's impatience or delusional expectations. He decided to end the contract early and there is no compensating for that.

    Edit:
    If the Mods would care to check my PM's I have unused offers of BST service reviews.
    If I just wanted to take this guys money I would've and used a review as work completed. However I always had him and
    his site's best interests in mind and know it is pointless linkbuilding to a site that is in serious jeopardy of penalty until those
    bad links are removed.
     
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  4. JadMac

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    I will begin by making clear that many of the statements made above have either been taken out of context or are completely made up. For instance "also that a competitor could be negative SEOing him" - this is a complete lie, what I actually asked was a question not about myself but with regards to what would happen in the event of a website having negative SEO targeted at it, this may seem as though I was asking about my site or insinuating this is what happened to my site, but this is not the case. Also another lie is that "He wanted to install like jacker" - No I did not! Stop twisting questions which were mere curiosity. At no point did I ever say I want to or I'm going to, I was asking your opinion which I received. Surely that's not hard to grasp? Regarding the script he wanted me to install, he did mention it vaguely but never asserted the need access my site and certainly never requested log in details.

    Regarding the bad/negative SEO I had previously purchased elsewhere, I stipulated from the beginning that this was the case and made it very clear that this may pose a problem, but this didn't seem to phase him. It may be the case that this problem grew due to indexing but still I always made it clear that I had purchased bad links before I took up his services.

    "I received an email from him calling me a common thief" This was well over two weeks of absolutely no contact, so I had to assume you were ignoring me. This is also after considerable efforts to communicate with you through BHW admins which was on/off. In fact I think a major flaw on your part was your dire communication as much of what you have stated above was never expressed to me at all. Instead you ignored my emails and instead sent a vague message every few weeks which was perceived by myself as unprofessional and at times juvenile.

    Anyway lets not debate what happened in between. This isn't about whether I was "delusional" (which if you truly believed, why communicate/take by money to begin with?) or any other emotive nonsense, this is a simple matter of the services paid for not being completed in full. Not a single report was ever sent to me, as was agreed in the beginning, you can't deny this?

    As a parting note - I would definitely say I believe I have been manipulated in some way. I was led to believe I would gain something from the services, yet I gained nothing but frustration, grief and now animosity.
     
  5. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Do you both agree on resolving this with a full refund?
     
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    "Do you both agree on resolving this with a full refund?" - Yes.
     
  7. oxonbeef

    oxonbeef BANNED BANNED

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    I'll give him this one I probably misread it this morning.

    I was going to refund him just to get him out of my hair until he got all abusive and threatening so quite frankly no.
    I don't work for free.

    Edit by JazzC: Images removed because personal information was not hidden, as per section rule #5.
     
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  8. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Please provide me with the following information:


    • What were the exact deliverables of your agreement (assuming it was not a generic "take care of my SEO" deal - if it was such, please state so)?
    • When was the deal closed?
    • Where the links bought before or after your agreement?
     
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  9. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    I have received the contract via PM, that answers the first 2 questions and its terms make the 3rd one irrelevant.

    I am copy/pasting the deliverables here:

    • Researching keywords and phrases to select appropriate, relevant search terms (up to 10 phrases).
    • Obtaining "back links" from other related websites and directories in order to generate link popularity and traffic (up to unlimited backlinks).
    • Editing and/or optimization of text for various html tags, meta data, page titles, and page text as necessary (up to 20 pages).
    • Analysis and recommendations on optimal website structure, navigation, code, etc. for best SEO purposes.
    • Recommend, as required, additional web pages or content for the purpose of "catching" keyword/phrase searches.
    • Create traffic and ranking reports for **removed** and any associated pages showing rankings in the major search engines.

    I would like to know which deliverables have been fulfilled during the 2 paid months, and which not.
     
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  10. JadMac

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    I now can't respond to whatever he posted as he failed to remove my personal information. And in response to which services were delivered? From the evidence- None! There were no reports to show any work had taken place e.g. backlink building and there was no access requested to my website, so therefore pretty much all of the rest were unachievable. There were no traffic and ranking reports either.
     
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    JadMac Junior Member

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    There was no abuse either, what abuse? Calling you a thief? If you take someone's money for a service and don't complete that service, what are you doing other than theft? I certainly didn't pay you for much if I paid you for any of this "work" you speak of.
     
  12. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Let me make the process clear - It 's not a dialog between you two, it 's a dialog of each one with me.

    Edit - I originally misread JadMac 's post and I have now removed my original (wrong) response to it.
     
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  13. oxonbeef

    oxonbeef BANNED BANNED

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    As of the deliverables.
    1. From the list of keywords supplied to me by the Op these were narrowed down to a reasonable number and achievable keywords. (Agreed with Op).
    2. Possible contextual links identified and tier profiles created using Licorne AIO.
    3. I at no time had back end access to the site, client informed me he was using Yoast and was handling that.
    4. As above.
    5. Client advised of ping list and addition keyword targets.
    6. Client advised of google position for keyword traffic analysis via analytics.
    In addition high PR links created to inner post for pressure test. (Link list sent to Jazzc via PM).
    I am clearly in confusion as what the Op wants to achieve with his site.
    I was working under the impression that the Op wanted a stable website that would gradually rise through the ranks but it is becoming clear
    he is only interested in links.
    If this is the case why did he contract me to SEO his site and not just continue to throw spam blog comments at it so it could be penalised into oblivion. This website still has 680 odd critical links pointed at it and if left alone he may as well say goodbye to it. At one time I suggested
    to him it would be far easier to change the domain and start again.

    Above you will see the date the Op started the website. At no time was there any mention of the blog comments he had thrown at his site before the agreement. Throwing 17000 spam blog comments at a site that you want longevity for within a month of it being built is absolute madness.
    I work on the concept of a solid foundation unless you are looking churn and burn. The Op must realise bad links can not be eradicated overnight. Firstly there is the wait for them all to index, then see which ones die of their own accord contacting webmasters to ask for links to be removed, waiting for them to respond, seeing what you are left with and considering disavowing those. All this without alerting the google to the bad links so not to incur immediate penalisation.
    It would be fantastic if all this could be done at no cost with the click of a mouse but it can't and peoples time costs money.
     
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  14. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Waiting for OP 's counter-response over the deliverables. Especially interested in 3,4 & 6.
     
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  15. JadMac

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    As you know we did communicate on google talk as well as email.

    "I was working under the impression that the Op wanted a stable website that would gradually rise through the ranks but it is becoming clear he is only interested in links." I have already stated that I had sourced previous link building before I even communicated with you, I was not only interested in building links, however people lie and a lot of junk links were created and gradually indexed. That isn't the issue anyway, these are diversions from the matter at hand. The fact is that I notified you of what had gone on link building wise.

    "Hi xxxxx,
    I'm available to chat most days, just let me know a time if possible.
    I haven't ordered any services since I made arrangements with yourself, so you must be right about them just being indexed"
     
  16. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    @JadMac: Please focus on answering my questions specifically.

    a) Did you opt to using Yoast instead of oxonbeef 's service for deliverables (3) & (4)?
    b) Were you advised and agreed on analytics instead of reports for deliverable (6)?