jazzc
Elite Member
- Jan 27, 2009
- 2,964
- 14,717
First asked, first served.
Scammed by Debian
- Thread starter Andrewkingsman
- Start date
- Status
First asked, first served.
Andrewkingsman
Newbie
- Jul 13, 2017
- 12
- 10
Debian
BANNED
- Feb 17, 2009
- 1,270
- 577
As the author of the thread, also as the buyer who paid to have it put up there, I think I have the right to ask for its complete removal, not just a thread closure.
I will follow up with you on skype regarding this.
jazzc
Elite Member
- Jan 27, 2009
- 2,964
- 14,717
I'm glad to see that this may be solved amicably.
I close the the sales thread and post notices in regards to this shitlist to provide the opportunity to those who wish a refund to ask for it. Refunds will be tracked here (asking + fulfillment).
Once everything has been settled, the sales thread will go away.
I close the the sales thread and post notices in regards to this shitlist to provide the opportunity to those who wish a refund to ask for it. Refunds will be tracked here (asking + fulfillment).
Once everything has been settled, the sales thread will go away.
jazzc
Elite Member
- Jan 27, 2009
- 2,964
- 14,717
Great - @Andrewkingsman post here when the refund has been received.
Assuming no other people ask here for refund in a reasonable timespan, it will indeed be.
Andrewkingsman
Newbie
- Jul 13, 2017
- 12
- 10
Mr. Debian - returned the funds after deducting the cost of the server. I have no complaints. I wanted to say thank you to the moderator for the help @jazzc.
Also contact the seller. Do not hold evil against me. I wanted honest cooperation and did not want problems. But $ 700 in my country is good money, this is my monthly salary and I can not give them without receiving anything in return.
Also contact the seller. Do not hold evil against me. I wanted honest cooperation and did not want problems. But $ 700 in my country is good money, this is my monthly salary and I can not give them without receiving anything in return.
Debian
BANNED
- Feb 17, 2009
- 1,270
- 577
You act as though there is a line of people demanding refunds. You tried to out me as much as you could in the beginning of this SL and you tried an entrapment scenario with your line of questioning. When that didn't work, and when I requested the deletion of a thread I paid for, you became a straight up prick about it. If you don't think I don't see what your trying to do here, its very clear.
jazzc
Elite Member
- Jan 27, 2009
- 2,964
- 14,717
a) When you say I tried to out you, you mean that you could be outed because you were doing shady things in purpose? Is that what you're saying?
b) If no other people request refunds, that's perfect for everyone - especially me who won't have to track them and prod you about it.
c) If you thought that because you paid a few bucks to get listed on the marketplace you get to demand a hush hush attitude from the staff, you should have known that this isn't a skid forum.
Debian
BANNED
- Feb 17, 2009
- 1,270
- 577
A. There isn't anything shady about it. Its common practice amongst many companies.
B. No one asked you to take charge and start tracking things and asking as the mediator or the arbitrator. This was an isolated case until you blew it up into something bigger.
C. Thats exactly what this place is and it is indeed filled with skids, scammers, spammers, and everything else. Even your own moderators end up in the SL's. (Let's not forget Mod Big Buddy now shall we??)
B. No one asked you to take charge and start tracking things and asking as the mediator or the arbitrator. This was an isolated case until you blew it up into something bigger.
C. Thats exactly what this place is and it is indeed filled with skids, scammers, spammers, and everything else. Even your own moderators end up in the SL's. (Let's not forget Mod Big Buddy now shall we??)
jazzc
Elite Member
- Jan 27, 2009
- 2,964
- 14,717
Scamming is indeed a common practice. That's why we're not taking it lightly.
What exactly do you thing the staff do around here? The shitlist section exists for precisely for resolving differences and keeping the community as safe as possible. Hence, we moderate.
In psychology, this thing is called projection. Bad.
honestIM
Power Member
- Jan 15, 2017
- 645
- 871
Since this shitlist has been closed, it should be free for all to discuss for 48 hours. So I hope I am not breaking any forum rules here.
A. Common practice to misrepresent a product that you are selling is not really common.
B. It is the mod responsibility to look at all Shitlist thread opened. I do not see any issue regarding this. As you have say that this was an isolated case, why don't you just refund the unsatisfied customer instead of putting op through additional step of raising shitlist here on this forum in the first place? I suppose you have many HAPPY customers so refunding one unhappy customer should not be a big deal. Just take it as a loss in your account and your happy customers will more than compensate the loss. Having a shitlist opened is not going to do you any good in terms of reputation as a seller here on BHW.
C. Filled with skids, scammers, spammers and everything else? Then why are you even here in the first place? Your statement is very contradicting.
Be fair to the mod regarding this issue.
Debian
BANNED
- Feb 17, 2009
- 1,270
- 577
Since you are not directly involved here, it is a violation of the SL terms for you posting in this thread. However I will respond to some of the things you've mentioned:
C. Filled with skids, scammers, spammers and everything else? Then why are you even here in the first place? Your statement is very contradicting.
Just because a place is filled with skids and other bad people doesn't mean everyone is involved in that. But by saying there are no skids here is a misrepresentation of the facts. As the mod wants to be politically correct and call me on each and every thing, I'll return the favor here and call some of the community exactly what they are. Again, this statement doesn't represent everyone, but it does represent a percentage as a whole.
Be fair to the mod regarding this issue.
I would be fair and polite to him had he kept to the topic at hand and went after the primary complaint and its financial resolution. However, trying to put me in an entrapment scenario and specifically asking questions he already knew the answer to, and which didn't help in resolving the issue at all, and rather empowered himself to bring up a topic that otherwise had no relevance to the SL would piss anyone off. Since jazzc wants to go politically correct and try to bring psychology into the factor, then it gives me the right to respond to that.
Last edited:
Sherb
Ban reason = Abuse of Mods
- Dec 26, 2010
- 1,968
- 18,138
You literally posted https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/scammed-by-debian.955595/page-2#post-10263388 that you consider this matter closed. If such is the case, you should be well aware as a rule-abiding member of eight and a half years that after a shitlist is resolved it is typical for the thread to be open to public commentary for 48 hours. It's almost as if you know that others will be coming into this thread requesting refunds.
And hey, maybe you are correct in the fact that outside members should not yet be posting in this thread. If that is the case, moderators are more than welcome to delete my post. Judging by the fact that both @jazzc and @BassTrackerBoats have shown appreciation to @honestIM for her addition, such is likely not the case.
I'm not sure where you get the double standard that the moderation team exists to ensure you have a clean sales thread, but at the same time should quickly close a shitlist thread where you are the defendant.
It's incredible how this started in such a professional manner, but you turned into a finger-pointing child when the decision was made and it was not in your favor. There is no personal vendetta against you. @jazzc in this thread was doing nothing more than his job.
Not mentioned in this shitlist is how in https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/forget-proxies-go-full-residential-remote-desktop.900835/page-16 you have outstanding and publicly unanswered complaints from @Initial Effort and @alit123, as well as a negative review from @jheyslow that you respond to with the equivalent of "get a life".
You seem like an extremely intelligent member of the board, with quality contributions, however your customer service skills when backed into a corner are the equivalent of a teenage girl not getting her way, wrapped in a coat of wordiness.
Several times throughout the course of this debacle I have refreshed this thread, fully expecting to see your profile banned for a cooling off period. Luckily @jazzc and the other shitlist moderators have greater patience than most of us on here.
Sephrata
Elite Member
- Mar 25, 2017
- 2,722
- 4,086
At the end of the day, you were grossly mis-selling a service on here so the SL decision was more than reasonable.
There was no entrapment because it was plain and clear to @jazzc what you were doing. Asking the questions he did was giving you the opportunity to come clean and be honest, but you chose to try and somehow justify what you were doing even though it was blatantly wrong.
Nowrid Ahsan
BANNED
- Feb 28, 2017
- 521
- 81
should I also add in the fact how you broke off our JV just because I showed one of your shitlists to a friend?
Debian
BANNED
- Feb 17, 2009
- 1,270
- 577
Those users have already been followed-up with. Thats why there were no additional remarks made from those users. Just because the follow-ups weren't made directly on BHW for all the world to see doesn't mean they weren't followed up on. As to my profile not being banned, I haven't qualified for a ban. Any disputes against me have always been resolved. Therefore there are no grounds for the banning of my profile.
yuuzokun
BANNED
- Sep 3, 2010
- 1,234
- 666
Calm down buddy. Trust me, its not worthy to continue that road. Just accept the fact that a customer wasn't happy with your services and move on.
If what you provide is matching what you described then its perfect. No one will ask for refunds.
Show some professionalism as as sherb said you seem like a decent guy. Dont ruin everything for nothing!
- Status