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SCAMMED by COINZ for $400

Discussion in 'The Shit List' started by drywalloc, Oct 4, 2016.

  1. drywalloc

    drywalloc Registered Member

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    On June 14th, I had received a PM from BHW member COINZ responding to a thread I started "looking for someone to build my website and rank 1st page on local google searches".

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    So, we started talking and I decided to hire him Off his Offer


    Lao Ecoin <[email protected]>

    Jun 14
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    So would you be okay for a simple wordpress website then? That would be my very good definition of a non-fancy website. Just a simple, non-complicated, user-friendly and yet professional looking website. I'll provide you with the following on a package:

    Website design
    Logo design
    Web content (if you don't have any)
    SEO for your website until it reaches at least on the top 8.

    I couldn't guarantee you a top 1 rank but I can guarantee you a first page rank on geotargetting businesses. Let me know if that works for you.

    Nick Diaz
    Sounds basic enough. How long will it take to achieve 1st page?
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    Lao Ecoin <[email protected]>
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    We're looking on about 4-6 weeks or more for it to be pushed to the top. I'm using grayhat methods. Blackhat SEO could be applied but it will still take 4-6 weeks for results to be visible. Website can be ready in a week.

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    Nick Diaz
    Ok. What are we talking about price wise?
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    Lao Ecoin <[email protected]>
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    I'd charge a package price for you. I usually base the pricing on 'per-service' basis. A reasonable rate would be $350 and 4-6 weeks working time + additional 1 week for the website creation.

    He didn't have a paypal account so, I stepped back for a bit because at that point I was a little concerned. He wanted me to use bitcoins or wire money. I gave it some time. I offered to wire money not upfront but as he made progress. He agreed. So the deal was this
    $350 for web design and seo + $50 for hosting ( I paid that directly to the hosting already )


    [​IMG]On Jul 27, 2016 1:15 PM, "Nick Diaz" <[email protected]> wrote:

    ok cool.

    total price is $350 plus hosting $30-50 right?

    Lao Ecoin
    Yes.
    Jul 26
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    Payment Schedule we agreed on was simple:
    50% of payment = $175 after site is built and up.
    Final 50% = $175 after site ranks 1st page google local searches

    So we got started. He was communicating daily and asking me about how Id like the site designed, It was really going good.
    August 12th :
    Lao Ecoin <[email protected]>
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    Hi Nick!

    Website is 90% ready. Im just missing the content for Pricing and our services page but I can build that up in no time. We are actually ready to proceed.

    http://nickweb.x10host.com/
    For the Pricing page, I can't see any pricing on the pages you gave me. They only offer a call-for-quote method. Would you want the same? Let me know

    For the Our services page, It is ready but I am only looking for the images. Contents are ready. It will be published once we move to the real host.

    3 weeks later and the site isn't even up...but Im still being patient. He's 90% done building it. He asks if he can get half of the $350 as we agreed on. I told him I would even though the site isn't done. I wanted to show him I pay with no issues and easy to work with. So I wired the money.

    Nick Diaz <[email protected]>

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    Here's the payment info:

    I sent $175.00 US dollars.
    I used western union
    Here's the tracking number:
    5391831720


    On August 16th
    I had asked him to do another site (We agreed on $350), with the same package as the !st site.
    He started working on that one also.

    Shortly after he wanted an upfront payment on the second site. I had paid him before the 1st site was done and now he wants an upfront payment on the second site. This is August 18th:

    Lao Ecoin
    About the payment for the drywall website, I was hoping you could send the upfront pay by tomorrow?

    Nick Diaz

    upfront payment of how much?11:47 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    Can we do the same amount as before? Both sites would be at least 80% by tomorrow11:53 PM
    Im only waiting for the content for the drywall site from you11:53 PM
    Nick Diaz

    You are going to make sure major seo goes into both sites to get them ranked as high as possible for the first page of google search results, and with the right and proper keywords?11:58 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    That's part of the package I offered11:59 PM
    Nick Diaz

    just want to make sure, after payment, you still continue to push hard to get these ranked where they need to be12:00 AM
    Lao Ecoin

    Rest assured that I will deliver everything that we agreed for. No point on me to stop halfway12:02 AM
    Nick Diaz

    ok lao. I believe in peoples word. Word is everything for a man. that's all he has. 12:03 AM
    I will make the wire transfer tomorrow12:04 AM
    for 17512:04 AM
    Lao Ecoin

    The trust you gave me is worth the hard work, Nick. I couldn't even thank you enough. I will deliver my work as discussed12:06 AM
    Nick Diaz

    thank you. now Im going to get some rest. good night and talk to you tomorrow

    Thursday, August 18, 2016 3:04 PM
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    August 19th

    Nick Diaz

    Here's the payment info:

    I sent $175.00 US dollars.
    I used western union
    Here's the tracking number:

    5391831720

    I was thinking of getting the sites noticed on adwords (temporary) just until the sites ranked on the 1st page naturally. I had asked him if he did sdword campaigns and he said he did.
    September 1st
    Lao Ecoin

    While we wait10:08 PM
    Let's talk about the adwords campaign10:08 PM

    Nick Diaz
    sure10:08 PM
    I know you talked about the adwords cost....but we didn't tal about your cost10:09 PM
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    Lao Ecoin

    Since this campaign would only be good for a month, I would charge a bit less on my usual monthly fee. This work requires monthly payment and I usually charge $350 on this but since we are working on two sites already, I could give you a fair price of $250 for the entire campaign (month).10:12 PM
    Should we continue with the campaign (if you change your mind) we can always settle at that monthly fee. But I assume that would not be necessary if the site is to reach first page10:13 PM
    Nick Diaz
    ok10:13 PM

    Lao Ecoin

    So do you have any specific dates on when would we start?10:16 PM
    So I could get ready10:17 PM
    I just got a response from the hosting. They said they are checking the problem now10:17 PM
    Nick Diaz

    As soon as site is complete and online.



    Look at the date in the screen shot.....the site isn't done
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    We agreed on the $250 per site (Adwords Campaign)
    50% Once the ads went live with adwords
    Final 50% at the end of the campaign (less than a month, just until the sites reached 1st page naturally)
    I had to pay for the VCC's to use on adwords and I did. I wired $70 for two vcc's ($10 for the card + $25 loaded on the card). That $70 covered two cards.
    What he was going to do is use adword vouchers "buy $25 in adwords, get $75 free credit"
    He said he would just have to create new accounts each time so we only use $100 total per adwords account. That way he could use those coupons because the accounts would be new.
    He started out well. It worked.

    September 13th
    The first campaign went live on adwords and I wired him more money.
    Western union Tracking # 197-913-2631

    I sent $200 =

    Half of $250 is $125 (50% of adword campaign)

    and $70 for two more vcc's .

    and $5 for the bitcoin fees

    So now he has 2 adwords accounts going and his plan is working. Included in the money I had just wired him on the 13th, he has 2 more cards to use for (accounts #3 and #4)

    September 26th
    He tells me accounts #3 and #4 are just waiting on google to approve them so they go live.

    Lao Ecoin
    Looking forward for #3 and #4 today

    I emailed this to him
    "I sent some money. $125 for the 50% on the drywall adwords campaign. Then $210 for 6 vcc's with $25 on each one. 35 x 6 = $210 and the rest for fees
    Western Union Tracking # 434-560-71698:07 PM

    I see progress so no problem giving you 50% on the second campaign8:08 PM
    total sent is $350"

    Lao Ecoin

    Hi nick11:36 PM
    I got the funds just now

    Then it ALL GOES BAD


    Wednesday, September 28, 2016 8:51 PM
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    Nick Diaz

    hi lao8:51 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    Hi Nick9:12 PM
    How are you doing?9:12 PM
    Nick Diaz

    howdy stranger9:22 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    Nick I've got something to tell you9:29 PM
    It's not about the ads no9:29 PM
    Nick Diaz

    ok9:30 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    Remember when I wasn't able to login the other day; the whole day?9:31 PM
    Nick Diaz

    yes9:31 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    I should really tell you straight to the point. After I claimed the money, I got robbed on the way home. I rode a cab on my way home and while we were at a stoplight, a stranger suddenly came in, pointing out a gun on our faces (me and the driver). Took my wallet and only left me my IDs. He even took my phone.9:35 PM
    I'm totally lost. I spent the whole day trying to borrow from relatives to cover the funds you sent me. That's where I spent my day and thinking on how to explain things to you.9:36 PM
    It was totally unexpected. The driver forgot to lock all of the doors and it was my first time having this experience.9:36 PM
    Nick Diaz

    Im sorry to hear that.9:37 PM
    Where does that leave things?9:37 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    I was really thinking about how to cover the payment for VCCs. That is the most important part for me. I take my job seriously as you know it9:39 PM
    Nick Diaz

    A few things:9:40 PM
    why wait 2 days later to tell me?9:40 PM
    Im not going to pay more9:40 PM
    I cant9:41 PM
    I paid in good faith and you collected it. 9:42 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    I wasn't able to tell you right away as I was looking for funds to cover up even the payment for the VCCs only. I was in panic and I don't know how to open it up to you. 9:42 PM
    Yes I understand and this was really unexpected even for me. No one wanted this to happen no.9:43 PM
    I was thinking of covering up the payment for VCC by the balance for the website and seo service for the two sites9:43 PM
    That should be more than enough. That's what I can come up with.9:43 PM
    Nick Diaz

    When it happened....you should of informed me immediately. Sounds more genuine vs. waiting two days later9:44 PM
    it really sucks that happened and I feel for you9:44 PM
    but in my shoes, Im in a awkward spot now9:45 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    I'm really sorry nick. I was at panic and I was really looking to cover the funds asap. I don't want any bad impressions from you that's why I was busy looking for money...9:45 PM
    Relatives can't help me at the moment as they don't have any. Plus, the amount is quite huge in my country9:46 PM
    So what I came up with is to cover up the funds using the remaining balance from the two sites.9:47 PM
    Please think about it.9:55 PM
    Nick Diaz

    I cant do it10:08 PM
    I paid you before the sites were done.10:09 PM
    I paid you for the second campaign before it even started10:09 PM
    I cant continue like that10:09 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    I'll find a way from my end nick10:14 PM
    Nick Diaz

    Ive been very fair. Im easy to work with, BUT I also know when I cant help out anymore.10:16 PM
    Realistically, it sounds like you probably won't find a way out, Especially since you already asked friends and family. 10:17 PM
    This is going to mess up the entire game plan.....Its as if it was all for nothing.10:27 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    I still have a few options left. My last resort would be a lending company10:38 PM
    Nick Diaz

    When will you know? Please understand, Ive been pushing this for my business and I don't have time to spare. That's why Im helping with other options to help boost the sites. I need to keep this moving forward. I cant have delays. The adwords delay is a set back alone. 10:46 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    I will know by tomorrow nick10:46 PM
    Nick Diaz

    any news on google?10:47 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    Not yet. They sent me an email to optimize the page as it loads slow so I recompressed the images according to their needs10:47 PM
    Optimized by 40%10:48 PM
    I've sent them an email again earlier that it was done10:48 PM
    Nick Diaz

    ok10:48 PM
    Im not sure what to say or do until I hear from you tomorrw10:50 PM
    Im stuck.10:51 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    I'll find a way nick. That's what I've been doing since that incident happened. I assure you that there will be ads running and everything will be done as planned10:52 PM
    I don't want any bad reputation myself as I'm really building up my profile10:52 PM
    Nick Diaz

    ok10:53 PM
    tomorrow my time you will know?10:53 PM
    or your time?10:53 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    My time10:53 PM
    It might come sooner10:54 PM
    I will let you know asap10:54 PM
    Nick Diaz

    I hope you can make this happen. 10:56 PM
    I'll check my email tomorrow for any updates10:56 PM
    good night lao10:57 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    Good night nick and again, I'm really sorry. No one wanted this to happen.10:57 PM
    Have a good one10:57 PM
    Nick Diaz

    I understand. I know things happen. Its how we make things right is what counts10:58 PM
    Thursday, September 29, 2016 8:54 PM
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    Nick Diaz

    hi lao8:54 PM
    please don't leave me hanging9:01 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    Hi Nick! Still on the go. I got someone to help me lend money. Will let you know soon9:14 PM
    Nick Diaz

    I see adwords is still not up9:15 PM
    Friday, September 30, 2016 8:31 PM
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    Nick Diaz

    Lao,8:31 PM
    I need to know whats going on now8:31 PM
    If you do not respond within the hour, I will assume you have burned me. I have been more than patient with you and its becoming more evident as each day passes, you are not going to keep your word8:34 PM
    I will also let bhw know 8:42 PM
    Please don't make this get ugly8:44 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    Hi nick9:31 PM
    I just got some funds to cover up the loss9:31 PM
    Nick Diaz

    you sure9:31 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    Im taking my lunch buy ill be going to the exchanger soon9:31 PM
    Yes :)9:31 PM
    I barely come online as i don't have a phone at the moment9:32 PM
    Nick Diaz

    Please get back to me when you are done at the exchanger9:32 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    I only borrow from a friend9:32 PM
    Yes will do9:32 PM
    Saturday, October 1, 2016 6:37 PM
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    Nick Diaz

    Whats going on???6:37 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    Hey nick6:37 PM
    Ive ordered the vccs already6:37 PM
    Nick Diaz

    Im getting a bad vibe 6:38 PM
    not feeling comfortable6:38 PM
    adwords still aren't up from #3 and #46:39 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    Well, i have ordered the cards for us to use. I have covered the loss. Please do not worry on that part anymore6:39 PM
    And about ads 3 and 46:39 PM
    Nick Diaz

    You said you were going to put the logo on drywall monkeeys and that's not done6:39 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    Okay we need to calm down and discuss things one by one6:40 PM
    No need to panic or feel uncomfortable as we have it all under control now.6:40 PM
    Nick Diaz

    I see time passing and we seem to be getting of course big time6:41 PM
    off course6:41 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    First, the issue on the missing funds are already done. Secondly, the ads were marked as 'eligible' but still not live.6:42 PM
    And i wasn't able to work on the site as i was looking for ways to cover the funds. The site will be done for today nick.6:43 PM
    Nick Diaz

    Exactly, not live is a major issue6:43 PM
    please look at it for my prospective6:44 PM
    how many times have you already told me the site will be done?6:44 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    There was just some unexpected turn of events. I will have it finished today. I'm really sorry6:45 PM
    Nick Diaz

    Im willing to start fresh lao. But I need your full commitment, We have lost valuable time and need to work hard to recoop that6:46 PM
    communication is a must. Keeping me updated is needed6:47 PM
    I don't like finding stuff out on my own, especially bad news6:47 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    I understand nick. Im really sorry for all the setbacks. I'll make sure we make a good comeback6:48 PM
    Nick Diaz

    You were doing really good until all this.....I know you have what it takes to shine, Ive seen it in you!! Please shine6:49 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    I really apologize for all this. Please let me prove myself again6:50 PM
    Nick Diaz

    Please do6:52 PM
    Whats the plan for acct #3 and #46:52 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    It's in eligible status. It usually gets live in a few hours but it has been like that since 8hrs ago. Weekend might be an excuse but i will email them about this. I have set the minimum daily limit to $25 for both campaigns6:54 PM
    Any news on the fiverr service?6:54 PM
    Nick Diaz

    not yet6:55 PM
    I will check now to see if he finished early6:55 PM
    Can I ask you to please keep me updated of the progress daily?6:56 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    Hi nick sorry i was eating breakfast8:17 PM
    Yes of course8:17 PM
    Nick Diaz

    great thank you8:18 PM
    Saturday, October 1, 2016 11:38 PM
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    Nick Diaz

    hi lao11:38 PM
    any news on google?11:38 PM
    Please let me know as soon as possible. Also please let me know when you get the vcc's11:45 PM
    Nick Diaz

    please keep me up to date12:04 AM
    Lao Ecoin

    Hey nick12:27 AM
    Vcc is on the process12:27 AM
    No news yet from them...12:27 AM
    Sunday, October 2, 2016 11:00 AM
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    Lao Ecoin

    Hi nick11:00 AM
    So im about to sleep11:01 AM
    I haven't placed the logo yet as when i try to adjust the width and height in the allowed maximum on the site, it messes up the whole layout. I will figure another way when i wake up.11:02 AM
    And ive done seo as usual for both sites11:02 AM
    Nick Diaz

    ok11:04 AM
    thank you. Talk to you when you wake up11:05 AM
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    Nick Diaz

    hi6:55 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    Hi nick! Good morning7:49 PM
    Nick Diaz

    good morning8:09 PM
    Can I have the accout #3 and 4 info? Im going to call adwords, Its been 8 days8:09 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    It still says eligible but not live. Although i followed their instructions carefully8:11 PM
    Anyway, let's not jump in to conclusions yet. It's weekend8:11 PM
    Nick Diaz

    its been 8 days. A phone call wont hurt.8:11 PM
    Whats the accounts info please8:12 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    Sec8:12 PM
    Nick Diaz

    any luck?8:42 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    Hey nick8:56 PM
    Cust id is 491-032-068978:56 PM
    Nick Diaz

    this is for which account?9:23 PM
    can I just have the log in info for account 3 and 49:24 PM
    Nick Diaz

    Lao?10:40 PM
    Nick Diaz

    Im not sure whats up, but im getting a not so good feeling about this,11:06 PM
    You seem to be putting this on the back burner and for knowing the time that was lost, you said you understood the importance of working to get this back on track, Im not getting that from you.11:08 PM
    Im doubting this is going to work and quite frankly ready to find someone who can take care of this with urgency11:09 PM
    your time responses from before the incident vs. now are drastically slower. Production and urgency is drastically slower. 11:11 PM
    This is my business, and this continued delay in communication and production is not good. 11:13 PM
    Can you please send the passwords for my cpanels, adwords, ect. Id like to go ahead and get all the usernames and passwords attached to my sites and adwords11:14 PM
    Nick Diaz

    Im going to bed12:43 AM
    please send the passwords for my cpanels, adwords, ect. Id like to go ahead and get all the usernames and passwords attached to my sites and adwords and anything pertaining to my sites12:44 AM
    Monday, October 3, 2016 9:10 AM
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    Nick Diaz

    lao9:10 AM
    Its in your best interest to respond immediately!!9:11 AM
    I will let everyone know in the bhw community9:11 AM
    If you don't have my passwords and account information by 8pm.9:12 AM
    I will notify bhw of this bad deal. 9:13 AM
    I am not waiting for you anymore9:13 AM
    I am tired of this!! I don't want to talk about this anymore.9:14 AM
    I want my all my passwords and account info NOW!!9:15 AM
    Monday, October 3, 2016 9:32 PM
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    Nick Diaz

    you there?9:32 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    Hi Nick10:46 PM
    Nick Diaz

    you said you have the funds right?10:46 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    Yes10:46 PM
    Nick Diaz

    can you just refund them back to me please?10:47 PM
    Lao Ecoin

    Oh I have purchased the vcc already10:47 PM
    It came last night10:47 PM
    Nick Diaz

    I don't want to waste any more time10:47 PM
    I really cant wait anymore10:47 PM
    My businesses need exposure and we are so far from the estimated finish time frame, its ridiculous 10:49 PM
    Nick Diaz

    refund please11:56 PM
    Nick Diaz

    No response?


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    Read this make me sad. I don't understand why you could trust someone totally and so easily...
     
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    What kind of robber with a gun returns ID respectfully to owner. How come you didn't know the truth at that exact moment.
     
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    Wow, i think it's time i started charging for these services. That's easy money right there. It's a shame you got burnt OP. I didn't read the entire chat but by the look of things they shafted you big time. Lets hope you can recoup. But for $400 i could have learnt how to rank on the first page for your niche/name in thoose 6 weeks. Heck even out sourcing would have helped you out big time. Your looking at 7 days to create a site and content. God knows why it would take all that time.
     
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    If you're that trusting of the blue title, you're going to get burned sooner or later. Why wouldn't a scammer pay the $97 for that kind of trust, if it means they can take so much more..

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    Sad reality is that scammer invests same time pulling and planning scams, as he would doing something legit. Legit towards blackhatters at least. They don't want to create value, they want to steal it. They don't want to learn, they want to abuse. These thoughts keeps me awake at night sometimes, how shitty people can really be.
     
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    Nice topic to talk about :D
     
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    If someone invests in posting quality information and also pays $97 for a yearly subscription + maybe $36 for a ST, I don't think he will scam for $100. He has a name and can't build an account like that overnight.
     
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    When a scam thread changes in a debate ...
     
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    Shit list is actually best subforum on BHW. First learn to save what you already have, and then focus on earning more.

    Being scammed is de facto black swan event. Read more here

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory

    Nassim Nicholas Taleb is author of theory, and it has big appliance in economy/business , IMers must know this stuff.
     
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    So, you've been scammed by Nick Diaz? I guess that's what he's been up to while being suspended by the NAC for *5 years*
     
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    Thanks for that link mate. A worthy read to end the day.